The Wisdom of Solomon

[Mean Mountain Robot]

I remember the story how that Solomon said "bring me a sword and cut the child in two and give half to each woman"
something like that... and then they say, "Solomon gave the child to the mother of the living child." He actually did not.

I Kings 3:
26 Then spake the woman whose the living child was unto the king, for her bowels yearned upon her son, and she said, O my lord, give her the living child, and in no wise slay it. But the other said, Let it be neither mine nor thine, but divide it.

27 Then the king answered and said, Give her the living child, and in no wise slay it: she is the mother thereof.

28 And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they saw that the wisdom of God was in him, to do judgment.

This is the KJV version. Solomon doesn't point to the mother of the child. If you understand how dialogue works in a story, you can see that the last woman to speak is the woman who says cut the child in half and the next words are Solomon's and he says give her the child, she is the mother thereof and Israel feared Solomon...

Even Jesus says don't go to court. This is probably the reason why...

Matthew 5:25
Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

 

[bobinfaith]

Good morning, Mean Mountain Robot;

In verse 27 and 28 of the ESV and several translations, 27 Then the king answered and said, “Give the living child to the first woman, and by no means put him to death; she is his mother.” - ESV

He actually did.

In my personal study and teaching of the context, Solomon's testimony revealed his goodness and generosity toward a couple of "harlots or innkeepers." The true mother revealed her true parental love putting his life over her's. Solomon saw this and rewarded the mother.

The context in this story is not directed at not going to court, instead, Solomon's wisdom, love and judgment settled the matter and was revealed by all Israel.

God bless you, Mean Mountain Robot, and your family.

Bob

 

[Mean Mountain Robot]

Good morning, Mean Mountain Robot;

In verse 27 and 28 of the ESV and several translations, 27 Then the king answered and said, “Give the living child to the first woman, and by no means put him to death; she is his mother.” - ESV

He actually did.

In my personal study and teaching of the context, Solomon's testimony revealed his goodness and generosity toward a couple of "harlots or innkeepers." The true mother revealed her true parental love putting his life over her's. Solomon saw this and rewarded the mother.

The context in this story is not directed at not going to court, instead, Solomon's wisdom, love and judgment settled the matter and was revealed by all Israel.

God bless you, Mean Mountain Robot, and your family.

Bob

Bob, you must be one of those lucky people who've never had to experience the "justice" system.
I guess if you don't like what is in the bible, you have other bibles to choose from until you find one that says what you want it to...

If God didn't want it that way it wouldn't be that way, right?

That's why I stick to the KJV. It's hasn't gone through "correction"...
Thomas Jefferson wrote a version of the bible, too, but I bet he left that part alone... 101

 

[David]

You claim to believe the KJV, yet you are ignoring what the KJV actually says.

Read 1 Kings 3:26 carefully:

"Then spake the woman whose the living child was unto the king, for her bowels yearned upon her son, and she said, O my lord, give her the living child, and in no wise slay it. But the other said, Let it be neither mine nor thine, but divide it."

Scripture explicitly identifies the true mother as the woman who begged Solomon to spare the child's life.

Then Solomon declares:

"Give her the living child, and in no wise slay it: she is the mother thereof." (1 Kings 3:27)

You assume "her" must refer to the last woman who spoke. But that is your assumption, not something Scripture says. Solomon's judgment follows the revelation of which woman genuinely loved the child.

And verse 28 settles the matter:

"And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they saw that the wisdom of God was in him, to do judgment."

Are you seriously suggesting that the wisdom of God led Solomon to give the child to the woman who demanded his death?

You then accuse someone of changing Bibles to suit their beliefs. Yet the problem is not the translation. The problem is your refusal to read the passage in context.

You also misuse Matthew 5:25 to suggest Jesus was warning people against going to court because judges cannot be trusted. That is not what Jesus taught. He was warning about the consequences of failing to settle with an adversary.

Your personal experiences with the justice system do not determine the meaning of Scripture.

There is a pattern developing here. You deny the historical existence of biblical figures, claim to possess hidden knowledge, question whether God lied to Adam, and now attempt to turn Solomon's God-given wisdom into an act of injustice.

This is not discovering deeper biblical truth. It is repeatedly forcing Scripture to say what you want it to say.

Satan's first recorded attack began with questioning God's Word: "Yea, hath God said?" (Genesis 3:1). He then directly contradicted what God had said.

The lesson is clear. Questioning, distorting, and contradicting God's Word is not spiritual enlightenment.

"Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." (Proverbs 30:6)

Stop claiming that your interpretations are biblical simply because you can attach a Bible verse to them. Read what God actually said, in its proper context, and let His Word correct you.

 

[David]

@Mean Mountain Robot, Let me make something very clear. Biblical Truth Forum is not a place for promoting false teachings, twisting Scripture, or spreading claims of secret knowledge that contradict God's written Word.

You have repeatedly denied the historical reality of biblical figures, questioned the truthfulness of Scripture, and presented your own interpretations as though you possess some deeper revelation that others cannot understand.

That needs to stop.

You are welcome to ask sincere questions and discuss Scripture, but you are not welcome to continually promote teachings that contradict God's Word while dismissing biblical correction.

Paul warned:

"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject." (Titus 3:10)

And Scripture commands:

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Consider this a formal warning. If you continue using BTF to promote these claims and undermine the authority and truthfulness of Scripture, further moderation action may follow, including the loss of your posting privileges.

This forum exists to uphold biblical truth, not to provide a platform for spreading deception.

You have been corrected from Scripture. Now the responsibility is yours to listen and respond accordingly.

 

[Mean Mountain Robot]

@Mean Mountain Robot, Let me make something very clear. Biblical Truth Forum is not a place for promoting false teachings, twisting Scripture, or spreading claims of secret knowledge that contradict God's written Word.

You have repeatedly denied the historical reality of biblical figures, questioned the truthfulness of Scripture, and presented your own interpretations as though you possess some deeper revelation that others cannot understand.

That needs to stop.

You are welcome to ask sincere questions and discuss Scripture, but you are not welcome to continually promote teachings that contradict God's Word while dismissing biblical correction.

Paul warned:

"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject." (Titus 3:10)

And Scripture commands:

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Consider this a formal warning. If you continue using BTF to promote these claims and undermine the authority and truthfulness of Scripture, further moderation action may follow, including the loss of your posting privileges.

This forum exists to uphold biblical truth, not to provide a platform for spreading deception.

You have been corrected from Scripture. Now the responsibility is yours to listen and respond accordingly.

you're right, not scripture, but the Bible does say the woman whose child it was, I even quoted that when I made the post.
But where your bible and my bible differ is that King Solomon gave the child to the woman who said to slay it.
1 Kings 3:28 And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they saw that the wisdom of God was in him, to do judgment.

They feared the King, hmmm I wonder if it had to do with the fact that he gave the child to the woman who said to slay it...
Probably. That makes sense to me, anyway...

 

[bobinfaith]

Bob, you must be one of those lucky people who've never had to experience the "justice" system. I guess if you don't like what is in the bible, you have other bibles to choose from until you find one that says what you want it to...If God didn't want it that way it wouldn't be that way, right? That's why I stick to the KJV. It's hasn't gone through "correction"...Thomas Jefferson wrote a version of the bible, too, but I bet he left that part alone... 101

Hello Mean Mountain Robot;

Unfortunately, my experience with justice and injustice includes all sorts of flavors from a teen and adulthood. This is not a humble brag but the hard knocks experience of truths and the lessons that I've learned from it.

I've crossed referenced other reliable translations beside the KJV and have benefited from the Hebrew, Greek, absorbing texts and comparing word for word translations. This gives me a deeper view of difficult passages. I've never thought about what I want the Bible to say, instead I focused on what God's wants to say to me for my personal application and when I deliver a sermon, teaching or sharing of the Gospel.

In the 19th century Thomas Jefferson wrote his version of the New Testament titled the Jefferson Bible (and other titles given for Jefferson's book.) He edited (omitted) key teachings and focused more on the moral and ethical lessons of Jesus Christ. I only learned about this in theory and agree Jefferson's bible is not an acceptable translation.

Getting back to the verb of this topic, my encouragement to you is if you are set in your personal study of the KJV Bible then press on. As the years go by none of us will ever "master" the Bible, but will constantly develop new insight and understanding of what the context is saying.

Just the same, I'll continue to use my approach of cross referencing several translations including the KJV and what works for me in sharing God's Word and the Gospel to the community.

God bless you, Mean Mountain Robot.

Bob