Against Feminism

[TitusTwoWife]

This thread will be a space for posting videos, thoughts, discussion, graphics, and articles about feminism. Mine will all be against it.

Feminism is founded on lies and is terrible for women, men, children, and society. It contributes to obesity problems in nations, has caused the abortion of millions of babies, divorce has skyrocketed, and is highly unbiblical.

What worked for centuries is biblical patriarchy. Ill be explaining that this was not a system of oppression towards women. Think of the Titanic and who got to escape the sinking ship first.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I highly recommend Rachel Wilson's book Occult Feminism.

She goes into some of it in this interview where she explains some of the myths of feminism.

For example, most women were actually against suffrage or the right for women to vote.

Women owned property, were educated, and had women's colleges before feminism took hold.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

 

[TitusTwoWife]

 

[David]

I highly recommend Rachel Wilson's book Occult Feminism.

She goes into some of it in this interview where she explains some of the myths of feminism.

For example, most women were actually against suffrage or the right for women to vote.

Women owned property, were educated, and had women's colleges before feminism took hold.

From the video there’s no question the culture has drifted far from God’s design.

But we’ve got to be careful not to turn this into feminism versus patriarchy like it’s just a system problem. Scripture doesn’t deal with it that way. The root issue isn’t feminism. It’s sin.

Jesus said, “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts… pride…” ~Mark 7:21–22. That’s the problem. You can remove feminism tomorrow and still have broken homes, selfishness, and rebellion because the heart hasn’t changed.

And what worked in the past wasn’t a label like “patriarchy.” It was people actually living under God’s authority. Scripture does give order. “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord” ~Ephesians 5:22. But it also says, “Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it” ~Ephesians 5:25. That’s not control. That’s sacrifice.

So the answer isn’t just pushing back on feminism. The answer is returning to what God actually said and dealing with the real issue, which is the heart. Do you think removing God from public life is part of why things are declining?

Because without that, you can change systems all day and nothing truly gets fixed.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

But we’ve got to be careful not to turn this into feminism versus patriarchy like it’s just a system problem. Scripture doesn’t deal with it that way. The root issue isn’t feminism. It’s sin.

A lot of people do not see the problems in feminism and how it can lead to sin. It's worth talking about.

And what worked in the past wasn’t a label like “patriarchy.” It was people actually living under God’s authority.

I do not separate biblical order and patriarchy. Patriarchy just means "rule of the father". The Bible is patriarchal. It may be a term that makes people uncomfortable but it's still accurate.

Do you believe society has done just as well under feminism? I can't say it has.

Feminism undermines so many core tenets of Christian doctrine. It calls marriage and motherhood slavery. It undermines male leadership and headship. It denies the goodness of masculinity. It creates competition between men and women instead of cooperation.

 

[David]

Do you believe society has done just as well under feminism? I can't say it has.

No I do not believe society has done well under feminism.

I hear what you’re saying, and you’re right, a lot of what’s being pushed today under feminism runs straight against what Scripture teaches. That’s worth calling out.

I was just pointing out what the bible said about the issue.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

This is a really good segment explaining the value of getting married young and going ahead and starting a family. Crowder combats the idea that you need to be wealthy to have children, promoting stay at home motherhood and homeschooling as key factors that produce great outcomes.

 

[David]

This is a really good segment explaining the value of getting married young and going ahead and starting a family. Crowder combats the idea that you need to be wealthy to have children, promoting stay at home motherhood and homeschooling as key factors that produce great outcomes.

Yeah, I hear what you’re saying, and I think this is a good conversation to have. There’s definitely truth in pushing back on the idea that you need to be wealthy before having kids. Scripture doesn’t present children as something you wait on until life is perfect. It actually says, “Children are an heritage of the LORD” ~Psalm 127:3, so they’re a blessing, not a burden tied to income.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I loved shopping, restaurants, and college. This was the lifestyle I grew up with. But no place compares to home.

It's profitable to teach women to crave chaos and to be loud like the harlot of Proverbs 7.

Proverbs 7:11
King James Version
11 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:

If companies can convince women that home is boring and stifling, then they're more likely to fuel their shopping addictions.

But when home is invested in, meals, exercise, rest, and connection at home are special and irreplaceable.

I learned to be home-centered through my husband's influence and Scripture. Titus 2:3-5 says women are to be obedient keepers at home among other things so that the Word of God is not blasphemed.

While it's fine to leave the house, home-centeredness is to be the focus of married women. And after unlearning worldly values, home has truly stolen my heart. It is a sanctuary. A special place.

 

[bobinfaith]

This thread will be a space for posting videos, thoughts, discussion, graphics, and articles about feminism. Mine will all be against it.

Feminism is founded on lies and is terrible for women, men, children, and society. It contributes to obesity problems in nations, has caused the abortion of millions of babies, divorce has skyrocketed, and is highly unbiblical.

What worked for centuries is biblical patriarchy. Ill be explaining that this was not a system of oppression towards women. Think of the Titanic and who got to escape the sinking ship first.

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Good morning, TitusTwoWife;

I was 11 years old in 1968. At a young age I wasn't familiar with feminism but remember the various slogans about women's rights, songs that were written about it, equal pay, etc...

To me, this has been going on for decades. I read the Rockefeller statement and feel Nick and Aaron were out of touch, even for those times;

"Women going to work was an opportunity for increased payroll taxes. Women would spend more time away from the family and the state / teachers would be able to indoctrinate and control children. All this according to the world doctrine."

The flip side of this is Godly women who stayed home as a full time Mom. My mother chose not to hold a job because the Lord provided all our needs. Her role identified God's character though things were not perfect, her children still grew up stable and secure.

She never grumbled about being a slave at home, missed career opportunities or the freedom outside the home. To her, the home foundation took precedence.

Dad was deployed twice during the Vietnam war so Mom stayed home to raise us. By the time I was 15 I had assumed the role as second man of the house and the responsibilities learned by Mom. She went back to school and later was blessed with a federal job.

I believed in many ways this prepared her from being a stay home Mom.

There are hidden lessons for women to learn while God entrusts them the stewardship of being a full time stay home Mom, helper and partner.

Genesis 1 & 2 identifies the woman's role in the home and God's creation of marriage.

Galatians 3:28, 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. - RSV

God bless you, TitusTwoWife.

Bob

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Feminism did not make women happier. An interesting study concluded that women reported greater levels of happiness in the 1970's. As time went on men became the happier reporting gender.

I grew up in a post feminist world. When I attended my senior year of high school, not one adult in my life suggested I could go on to be a homemaker. I was definitely asked which college I wanted to go to. I dreaded college and frankly did not want to go. But there was so much pressure from family, I felt like I could hardly voice this.

I think if I could've met my husband without the pressure to go to college, I would have avoided a lot of stress and mental health issues. I'd have started having babies earlier.

I was told I couldn't rely on a man to take care of me, so I had to pick a career. Getting married and having babies seemed unheard of yet that's what I secretly craved.

I think women were happier when career was not pushed so heavily. Many feel they have no choice but to work either because of the economy or to pay off student loans. But when you're young, that's a great time to get married and have children. It doesn't mean you settled or you'll stay poor forever. It really is a blessed life.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

As a wife, I strive to fulfill my role of making my husband's life easier so he can fulfill his role of leading, protecting, and providing for me and our children easier.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Unfortunately a lot of marriage complaints from women sound like this.




They seem to be going out of their way to not be pleased by their spouses efforts. I myself used to argue about chores when we tried to split them and we both worked outside the home. Now, it's different.

I don't expect my husband to do any chores when he comes home. If he wants to help, I'm very grateful but its not an expectation. He pays every single bill so I do see all the domestic things as my responsibility. We don't argue about it either. We each have gotten better and better at our roles, despite me not being raised to be a housewife.

I see therapists posting about how "partners" should come home from work and do chores to help stay at home mom's. I see this as a recipe for stress, resentment, and arguing. A good marriage is about serving where you can, not extracting all you can get. I believe in living in peace and not sacrificing it just to get your man to do extra chores after he's already worked to provide.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

A good marriage is about serving where you can, not extracting all you can get. I believe in living in peace and not sacrificing it just to get your man to do extra chores after he's already worked to provide.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Titus 2:3-5
King James Version
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

 

[Yesua888]

It is always appreciated when my husband helps in the kitchen, especially when we have family over is family come often and there are many many of them. There have been times when I have been upset that everything has been left for me to do, even by the women present. I had to express my frustration and that I felt "taken forgranted".

It is not right for everyone present to sit around, waiting for one elderly person to do absolutely everhything, especially when there are so many visitors at one time.

Sometimes, we have to go through the frustrations, to realise that we do need to ask for help, or express our unhappiness. It is especially important to ask for God's help and guidance; it always works!

 

[Yesua888]

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"50/50" ... is something to be TRUTHFUL about ... how much are women really able to do "outside of the kitchen"; do they keep up with their husbands 50/50? Are women really as strong as men, and were they made that way?
Remember the "old days", when most women were "housewives", where the children had someone to come home to after school. Mum used to make breakfast for everyone, lunches, do the household chores, and then supervise homework. Things were in balance!
Then things changed ...
Is there more child abuse since those "old days"?
Is there more separation in homes today?
What about wholesome values?
What happened to Granny and Grandpa, who helped look after the children, when the parents needed some "awway time"?
Do Granny and Grandpa work too nowdays?
How things have changed ...

 

[TitusTwoWife]

It's not that how well I make my home somehow measures me but rather homemaking is an opportunity to sew to the Spirit and serve God. It is the hidden person of the heart that God treasures. So if I serve in my home with a good attitude, love, and view to honor God, the temporary engagement of homemaking becomes my spiritual advantage.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

 

[TitusTwoWife]

 

[Yesua888]

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Good morning, TitusTwoWife;

I was 11 years old in 1968. At a young age I wasn't familiar with feminism but remember the various slogans about women's rights, songs that were written about it, equal pay, etc...

To me, this has been going on for decades. I read the Rockefeller statement and feel Nick and Aaron were out of touch, even for those times;

"Women going to work was an opportunity for increased payroll taxes. Women would spend more time away from the family and the state / teachers would be able to indoctrinate and control children. All this according to the world doctrine."

The flip side of this is Godly women who stayed home as a full time Mom. My mother chose not to hold a job because the Lord provided all our needs. Her role identified God's character though things were not perfect, her children still grew up stable and secure.

She never grumbled about being a slave at home, missed career opportunities or the freedom outside the home. To her, the home foundation took precedence.

Dad was deployed twice during the Vietnam war so Mom stayed home to raise us. By the time I was 15 I had assumed the role as second man of the house and the responsibilities learned by Mom. She went back to school and later was blessed with a federal job.

I believed in many ways this prepared her from being a stay home Mom.

There are hidden lessons for women to learn while God entrusts them the stewardship of being a full time stay home Mom, helper and partner.

Genesis 1 & 2 identifies the woman's role in the home and God's creation of marriage.

Galatians 3:28, 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. - RSV

God bless you, TitusTwoWife.

Bob

I so agree with what you say Bob, and TitusTwoWife ...
This "feminism" movement has caused division ...
The majority of children today go to early day care, and then into school, college, uni then into the workplace. Those good ole days are gone!
How many children, play outdoors (instead of playing on devices for hours). How many children sit on the lawn, climb a tree, swim in a creek, visit friends on their bikes, in the neighbourhood? Children are stuck between 4 walls, and have no inclination to go outside, or to make friends.
Our children spend little time with their intended, proper "primary care givers" because society (the system) has pressurised both parents to work.
Prices continue to rise, forcing both parents, as well as grandparents to work.
The days of grandparents being available for their granschildren are over, and so are days where children were brought up by their parents.Instead they are brought up by the system, and institutions - "separation" by design.
I don't know about other countries (I suspect they are the same), but in Australia, public libraries display and make available, pornagraphic children's books ... some parents protest, but this falls on deaf ears.
Schools teach kindergarden children to masturbate, because this is "normal".
Our children (for generations) have been vulerable to the system in so many ways. This vulnerbility is seen in the choices that parents, and grandparents make today (caught up in this way of life, believing that this is "evolution" or the "norm").
Parents and Gransparents have no time to contemplate or enjoy life as it was mean to be enjoyed. Instead they are forced to stay on the merry go around, (in the rat race), in order to survive and keep up with how the World has been engineered to be today.
The "pandemic" saw so many of us moving away from friends, networks even family members - more separation through differences in opinoin and belief.
Everyone is following this way of life today, so any stay at home Mum is in the minority, and may feel inferior, by not contributing to the coffers that are so necessary now to put food on the table and a roof over the families head.
I remember feeling inferior when I did not work, and the words "a kept woman" was heard so often, in our community.
Feminism (the system) is also indoctrinating people to believe that children are a burden. I can see how this would tie in with the idea that the World is overpopulated too.
If we reflect on how things were say 3 generations ago, and how things are today, the mind boggles.
We have to be honest, and realise that this is not what God wanted for us, and unfortunately it all started at the first disobeyance in the garden ... evil moved in, and everything has gone downhill. Without knowing it, humanity has been unaware of where all this indoctrination, propaganda and "convenience" (as in gadgets) was leading leading us.
It is now time for us to stand on what we believe, change "our" mindsets, and support clean living, and each other.
I am all for homeschooling, and wish that more mums and dads would join forces in the neighbourhood, to roster supervision of the children., looking after the kids.
My time is over as regards homeschooling. However, if there was a need in our neighbourhood, (and I do not belong to a Church in our region, so that door is not open), I would volunteer to have children come to my home to learn creative skills.
Notice how young people are turning to "tiny homes" in order to afford a "roof over their heads" that they can own. Many are looking towards sustainability (growing their own food), and homeschooling kids - yes, in their tiny homes, on rented properties. Things are changing rapidly ...
Anyway, things are as they are, and if we are willing to make a difference, I am sure that God will guide and support us in our endeavours
This is indeed a great topic, thanks TitusTwoWife

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I so agree with what you say Bob, and TitusTwoWife ...
This "feminism" movement has caused division ...
The majority of children today go to early day care, and then into school, college, uni then into the workplace. Those good ole days are gone!
How many children, play outdoors (instead of playing on devices for hours). How many children sit on the lawn, climb a tree, swim in a creek, visit friends on their bikes, in the neighbourhood? Children are stuck between 4 walls, and have no inclination to go outside, or to make friends.
Our children spend little time with their intended, proper "primary care givers" because society (the system) has pressurised both parents to work.
Prices continue to rise, forcing both parents, as well as grandparents to work.
The days of grandparents being available for their granschildren are over, and so are days where children were brought up by their parents.Instead they are brought up by the system, and institutions - "separation" by design.
I don't know about other countries (I suspect they are the same), but in Australia, public libraries display and make available, pornagraphic children's books ... some parents protest, but this falls on deaf ears.
Schools teach kindergarden children to masturbate, because this is "normal".
Our children (for generations) have been vulerable to the system in so many ways. This vulnerbility is seen in the choices that parents, and grandparents make today (caught up in this way of life, believing that this is "evolution" or the "norm").
Parents and Gransparents have no time to contemplate or enjoy life as it was mean to be enjoyed. Instead they are forced to stay on the merry go around, (in the rat race), in order to survive and keep up with how the World has been engineered to be today.
The "pandemic" saw so many of us moving away from friends, networks even family members - more separation through differences in opinoin and belief.
Everyone is following this way of life today, so any stay at home Mum is in the minority, and may feel inferior, by not contributing to the coffers that are so necessary now to put food on the table and a roof over the families head.
I remember feeling inferior when I did not work, and the words "a kept woman" was heard so often, in our community.
Feminism (the system) is also indoctrinating people to believe that children are a burden. I can see how this would tie in with the idea that the World is overpopulated too.
If we reflect on how things were say 3 generations ago, and how things are today, the mind boggles.
We have to be honest, and realise that this is not what God wanted for us, and unfortunately it all started at the first disobeyance in the garden ... evil moved in, and everything has gone downhill. Without knowing it, humanity has been unaware of where all this indoctrination, propaganda and "convenience" (as in gadgets) was leading leading us.
It is now time for us to stand on what we believe, change "our" mindsets, and support clean living, and each other.
I am all for homeschooling, and wish that more mums and dads would join forces in the neighbourhood, to roster supervision of the children., looking after the kids.
My time is over as regards homeschooling. However, if there was a need in our neighbourhood, (and I do not belong to a Church in our region, so that door is not open), I would volunteer to have children come to my home to learn creative skills.
Notice how young people are turning to "tiny homes" in order to afford a "roof over their heads" that they can own. Many are looking towards sustainability (growing their own food), and homeschooling kids - yes, in their tiny homes, on rented properties. Things are changing rapidly ...
Anyway, things are as they are, and if we are willing to make a difference, I am sure that God will guide and support us in our endeavours
This is indeed a great topic, thanks TitusTwoWife

I plan to homeschool my little ones. If you have any advice, I'd love to know.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I am blessed in my marriage. My husband washes me with the water of the Word. How? I come to him with my needs and weaknesses and he embues me with emotional strength and masculine advice. We discuss Scripture and apply it together.

 

[Yesua888]

I plan to homeschool my little ones. If you have any advice, I'd love to know.

Hi TitusTW,
I am not officially (of this world) "qualified" to teach children. Later in life I took a few childcare courses here in AU, and gave that up because of the system ... I was a glorified cleaner and not even a nanny; however, I observed things in the system that disturbed me - enough said.
My own childhood experience taught me as a maturer person looking back on life, that it is vitally important for children to know the truth about everything. This may require some "expertise" (if you rely solely on the World) or "Simply" a Godly approach, step by step.
The thing that sticks out most is:
1. from a very young age teachers recognised my artistic talents, and although they were not equipped to develop this with me, I remember how I enjoyed creating ... it came easily, as if flowing from God; and yes, in restrospect, it WAS flowing from God : )
2. neighbours took us to Sunday School ... if my sister and I had not been exposed to this teaching and seeing how the "other side" lived, we would not be where we are today, in terms of our Faiths.
Creativity is so important to all of us, and comes out in many different ways. It develops the mind, the imagination, and when directed in healthy, loving and accepting ways, the child flourishes and gains confidence in this sphere.
3. I am not sure what to say, other than the above 2, and am confident that walking step by step with God, during the homeschooling, you will achieve what He wants for your children.
Apart from always being truthful with your children, always apologise when you are wrong, and take the time to explain what went wrong ... there is a Balance, and you will learn this.
Allow your children space to explore and to "burn their fingers" ... always being there for them, as God is for us. Children must learn to play, safely and in a healthy and loving way ... so important to a child's development.
As a child, growing up in a difficult home environment, I learned many bad things and behaviours, but my Faith in Jesus has brought me through.
I so often visualise me working with children (not here though), and reading, singing, teaching and playing with children. It may come to pass ... all coming naturally and easily, throught the Grace of God.
All the very best , TTW ... you are certainly setting up the foundation for a good, healthy marriage and best "playground" for your children.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

 

[TitusTwoWife]

 

[Yesua888]

Things certainly have changed in so many ways ... even new friendships are hard to keep, they seem superficia and transientl. It is so sad to see how we (humanity) have lost our way, the way God intended us to be in this World. It is so sad to see how far away from God's Law we have drifted ...

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[TitusTwoWife]

I try not to debate or correct men on salvation doctrine anymore. I am going for a meek and quiet spirit. It is on the men to contend and defend the gospel. No female pastors.

Women can teach younger women good things and Titus 2 things like how to be good wives and mothers.

 

[David]

I try not to debate or correct men on salvation doctrine anymore. I am going for a meek and quiet spirit. It is on the men to contend and defend the gospel. No female pastors.

Women can teach younger women good things and Titus 2 things like how to be good wives and mothers.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that we women should desire to walk in a meek and quiet spirit… that is good.

I just caution with saying it is the man’s job to contend and defend the gospel. Believers of both genders are to contend for the faith. ~ Jude 1: 3 tells us to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Saints includes women.

Now you are not going to be a pastor just because you stand up for the gospel. You are not a man, you do not have authority over men. GOD made it clear where that line of authority lies. But you DO need to stand up for biblical truth when someone is twisting the gospel.

A meek and quiet spirit does not equal a muted faith. It equals you allowing yourself to be controlled by the ONLY One worthy of our spirit. There is a big difference between sitting quietly because you are humble and sitting silent while the gospel is altered.

When your kids grow up and look back, they will remember how you reacted when you thought doctrine was being mishandled. Your friends are watching. Your family is watching. When you stand on Scripture gently, kindly, they will see that the word of God is not just something you quote on Sundays. They will see you are SOLD on it.

Look what Paul said about Timothy’s faith. It dwelt first in his grandmother Lois and his mother Eunice. ~2 Timothy 1: 5 “the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice.” Then right after that in ~2 Timothy 3:15 it says, “from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”

A godly woman can influence her WHOLE household with the faith that she has in Christ!

Be meek. Be kind. Don’t go looking for arguments. Don’t try to step into roles the Lord hasn’t given you. But don’t let humility keep you from sharing the truth. Sometimes a gentle and well-studied answer is just what God needs to use to show your children, your family, and your friends that His Word is worth standing for.

Here are some Christian women who seem to be teaching correctly.

Michelle Lesley is probably one of the clearest examples. She writes mainly to women and has a large amount of discernment material warning about false teachers and unbiblical trends. Her own page says her articles are meant as “teaching tools” to help people understand “the sin and false doctrine being promoted,” and she emphasizes correcting with a spirit shaped by ~2 Timothy 2:24-26.

Amy Spreeman is another strong example. She founded Berean Research, which describes biblical discernment as coming from reading and meditating on the Word of God, and it cites ~2 Timothy 3:16-17 as the foundation. A Servants of Grace profile says she founded Berean Research as a counter-cult discernment ministry to equip Christians with biblical truth against false teaching.

Elizabeth Prata is another English-speaking woman who writes on discernment. Her site says one of her goals is “to help women discern” and provide trustworthy ministry links because of the amount of false teaching out there. She also writes directly on false teachers and false doctrine, including articles warning against defending false teachers.

 

[bobinfaith]

I try not to debate or correct men on salvation doctrine anymore. I am going for a meek and quiet spirit. It is on the men to contend and defend the gospel. No female pastors.

Women can teach younger women good things and Titus 2 things like how to be good wives and mothers.

Hello TitusTwoWife;

Thank you for sharing Against Feminism. I don't entertain feminism or machismo. Both don't align with Scripture. If these misguided cultures gave an ounce of Biblical study they would educate themselves in God's assigned roles of a man and a woman.

This may sting for some but the role of women pastors is not Biblical in the Christian Church. God had specific roles for the women of God - Deborah the first woman to lead Israel in Judges 4. Naomi who brought Ruth to faith in God in Ruth, Mary anointed by God to conceive Jesus in the Gospels, Mary Magdalene who was the first human to witness Christ resurrected, Phoebe the first woman deaconess to serve at the Church of Cenchrea in Romans 16. There is more but none that was called by God to shepherd the Church.

Many examples of a woman's role in Scripture and application is sharing the Word of God when prompted by the Holy Spirit. Your husband, children, community and especially those who don't know the Lord are prime examples.

From the time you have fellowshipped at Biblical Truth Forum you have imparted wisdom, discernment and encouragement while maintaining a meek and quiet spirit.

Keep writing, TitusTwoWife.

God bless you.

Bob

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I agree with you wholeheartedly that we women should desire to walk in a meek and quiet spirit… that is good.

I just caution with saying it is the man’s job to contend and defend the gospel. Believers of both genders are to contend for the faith. ~ Jude 1: 3 tells us to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Saints includes women.

Now you are not going to be a pastor just because you stand up for the gospel. You are not a man, you do not have authority over men. GOD made it clear where that line of authority lies. But you DO need to stand up for biblical truth when someone is twisting the gospel.

A meek and quiet spirit does not equal a muted faith. It equals you allowing yourself to be controlled by the ONLY One worthy of our spirit. There is a big difference between sitting quietly because you are humble and sitting silent while the gospel is altered.

When your kids grow up and look back, they will remember how you reacted when you thought doctrine was being mishandled. Your friends are watching. Your family is watching. When you stand on Scripture gently, kindly, they will see that the word of God is not just something you quote on Sundays. They will see you are SOLD on it.

Look what Paul said about Timothy’s faith. It dwelt first in his grandmother Lois and his mother Eunice. ~2 Timothy 1: 5 “the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice.” Then right after that in ~2 Timothy 3:15 it says, “from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”

A godly woman can influence her WHOLE household with the faith that she has in Christ!

Be meek. Be kind. Don’t go looking for arguments. Don’t try to step into roles the Lord hasn’t given you. But don’t let humility keep you from sharing the truth. Sometimes a gentle and well-studied answer is just what God needs to use to show your children, your family, and your friends that His Word is worth standing for.

Here are some Christian women who seem to be teaching correctly.

Michelle Lesley is probably one of the clearest examples. She writes mainly to women and has a large amount of discernment material warning about false teachers and unbiblical trends. Her own page says her articles are meant as “teaching tools” to help people understand “the sin and false doctrine being promoted,” and she emphasizes correcting with a spirit shaped by ~2 Timothy 2:24-26.

Amy Spreeman is another strong example. She founded Berean Research, which describes biblical discernment as coming from reading and meditating on the Word of God, and it cites ~2 Timothy 3:16-17 as the foundation. A Servants of Grace profile says she founded Berean Research as a counter-cult discernment ministry to equip Christians with biblical truth against false teaching.

Elizabeth Prata is another English-speaking woman who writes on discernment. Her site says one of her goals is “to help women discern” and provide trustworthy ministry links because of the amount of false teaching out there. She also writes directly on false teachers and false doctrine, including articles warning against defending false teachers.

I agree that women are to speak truth and point to the gospel, especially within their families. I don't think that's my issue. But debates about, say OSAS online where there is much contention is a grey area for me. There are usually men willing to call it out so do I really need to come out of softness and femininity just to add my thoughts?

My answer so far is no. When I stepped down, I found plenty of men that stepped up in that regard.

I have no problem cheerleading truth and saying OSAS is false. But correcting men on salvation doctrine, I don't think is meek and quiet. It takes a strong will and strong words to combat false teaching. I have no problem stating truth. OSAS is a terrible false doctrine. But I leave it at that.

I used to argue my point and dig into Scripture but it really wore me down. I don’t think it suits me.

I don't think I'd withhold an explanation on why I don't agree with OSAS to anyone who was really hungry for truth. But being argumentative and correcting men is not feminine.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I think the Titus 2 topics of marriage, motherhood and home keeping are vastly undertaught. I have never been to a single women's conference or women's meeting that taught on these things. The married women need to know how to be good wives and mothers. This is becoming a lost art.

 

[David]

I agree that women are to speak truth and point to the gospel, especially within their families. I don't think that's my issue. But debates about, say OSAS online where there is much contention is a grey area for me. There are usually men willing to call it out so do I really need to come out of softness and femininity just to add my thoughts?

My answer so far is no. When I stepped down, I found plenty of men that stepped up in that regard.

I have no problem cheerleading truth and saying OSAS is false. But correcting men on salvation doctrine, I don't think is meek and quiet. It takes a strong will and strong words to combat false teaching. I have no problem stating truth. OSAS is a terrible false doctrine. But I leave it at that.

I used to argue my point and dig into Scripture but it really wore me down. I don’t think it suits me.

I don't think I'd withhold an explanation on why I don't agree with OSAS to anyone who was really hungry for truth. But being argumentative and correcting men is not feminine.

I understand what you are saying, and I think there is wisdom in knowing when a discussion is wearing you down and when to step away. Not every believer is called to enter online debates, and Scripture does not require us to chase every argument.

There is a difference between being argumentative and giving a faithful answer. ~2 Timothy 2:24-25 says, “And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves.” That principle matters. Truth can be spoken with firmness without becoming quarrelsome.

So I agree with you that there is no need to jump into every OSAS fight online. If it becomes fleshly, exhausting, prideful, or endless, stepping away may be the wisest thing to do. ~Proverbs 26:4 says, “Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.” Some debates are not about truth anymore. They are just people swinging words at each other.

At the same time, if someone is genuinely asking, or if the gospel is being confused in front of people who may be misled, giving a simple Scripture-based answer is not unfeminine. It can be godly, humble, and helpful. Priscilla, along with Aquila, helped explain “the way of God more perfectly” to Apollos in ~Acts 18:26. That was not rebellion. That was faithful correction done properly.

I try not to get pulled into debates unless the issue affects the gospel, salvation, or would lead people away from Jesus Christ and the truth of Scripture.

There are plenty of topics Christians can discuss, disagree on, and still walk away without the gospel being damaged. I do not feel the need to answer every argument or chase every controversy.

But when a teaching distorts salvation, excuses sin, twists Scripture, gives false assurance, or points people away from Christ, that is different. That is when silence can become dangerous.

~Jude 1:3 says we are to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” That does not mean we fight about everything. It means we guard the truth God has given us.

So we should not try to win debates. Our goal is to stand where Scripture is clear, especially when the gospel is at stake.

So I would say this: do not feel pressured to debate men online just because the topic is serious. But also do not feel that speaking biblical truth with grace makes you less feminine. A godly woman can be soft in spirit and still strong in truth.

There is a clean middle ground. State the truth clearly. Give Scripture. Refuse endless striving. Walk away when the discussion turns into flesh. That is not cowardice. That is obedience.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I understand what you are saying, and I think there is wisdom in knowing when a discussion is wearing you down and when to step away. Not every believer is called to enter online debates, and Scripture does not require us to chase every argument.

There is a difference between being argumentative and giving a faithful answer. ~2 Timothy 2:24-25 says, “And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves.” That principle matters. Truth can be spoken with firmness without becoming quarrelsome.

So I agree with you that there is no need to jump into every OSAS fight online. If it becomes fleshly, exhausting, prideful, or endless, stepping away may be the wisest thing to do. ~Proverbs 26:4 says, “Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.” Some debates are not about truth anymore. They are just people swinging words at each other.

At the same time, if someone is genuinely asking, or if the gospel is being confused in front of people who may be misled, giving a simple Scripture-based answer is not unfeminine. It can be godly, humble, and helpful. Priscilla, along with Aquila, helped explain “the way of God more perfectly” to Apollos in ~Acts 18:26. That was not rebellion. That was faithful correction done properly.

I try not to get pulled into debates unless the issue affects the gospel, salvation, or would lead people away from Jesus Christ and the truth of Scripture.

There are plenty of topics Christians can discuss, disagree on, and still walk away without the gospel being damaged. I do not feel the need to answer every argument or chase every controversy.

But when a teaching distorts salvation, excuses sin, twists Scripture, gives false assurance, or points people away from Christ, that is different. That is when silence can become dangerous.

~Jude 1:3 says we are to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” That does not mean we fight about everything. It means we guard the truth God has given us.

So we should not try to win debates. Our goal is to stand where Scripture is clear, especially when the gospel is at stake.

So I would say this: do not feel pressured to debate men online just because the topic is serious. But also do not feel that speaking biblical truth with grace makes you less feminine. A godly woman can be soft in spirit and still strong in truth.

There is a clean middle ground. State the truth clearly. Give Scripture. Refuse endless striving. Walk away when the discussion turns into flesh. That is not cowardice. That is obedience.

Here are the verses Im being mindful of.

1 Timothy 2:11-14
King James Version
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Online forums are definitely a grey area for me. I tread more carefully these days.

 

[Yesua888]

I agree with you wholeheartedly that we women should desire to walk in a meek and quiet spirit… that is good.

I just caution with saying it is the man’s job to contend and defend the gospel. Believers of both genders are to contend for the faith. ~ Jude 1: 3 tells us to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Saints includes women.

Now you are not going to be a pastor just because you stand up for the gospel. You are not a man, you do not have authority over men. GOD made it clear where that line of authority lies. But you DO need to stand up for biblical truth when someone is twisting the gospel.

A meek and quiet spirit does not equal a muted faith. It equals you allowing yourself to be controlled by the ONLY One worthy of our spirit. There is a big difference between sitting quietly because you are humble and sitting silent while the gospel is altered.

When your kids grow up and look back, they will remember how you reacted when you thought doctrine was being mishandled. Your friends are watching. Your family is watching. When you stand on Scripture gently, kindly, they will see that the word of God is not just something you quote on Sundays. They will see you are SOLD on it.

Look what Paul said about Timothy’s faith. It dwelt first in his grandmother Lois and his mother Eunice. ~2 Timothy 1: 5 “the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice.” Then right after that in ~2 Timothy 3:15 it says, “from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”

A godly woman can influence her WHOLE household with the faith that she has in Christ!

Be meek. Be kind. Don’t go looking for arguments. Don’t try to step into roles the Lord hasn’t given you. But don’t let humility keep you from sharing the truth. Sometimes a gentle and well-studied answer is just what God needs to use to show your children, your family, and your friends that His Word is worth standing for.

Here are some Christian women who seem to be teaching correctly.

Michelle Lesley is probably one of the clearest examples. She writes mainly to women and has a large amount of discernment material warning about false teachers and unbiblical trends. Her own page says her articles are meant as “teaching tools” to help people understand “the sin and false doctrine being promoted,” and she emphasizes correcting with a spirit shaped by ~2 Timothy 2:24-26.

Amy Spreeman is another strong example. She founded Berean Research, which describes biblical discernment as coming from reading and meditating on the Word of God, and it cites ~2 Timothy 3:16-17 as the foundation. A Servants of Grace profile says she founded Berean Research as a counter-cult discernment ministry to equip Christians with biblical truth against false teaching.

Elizabeth Prata is another English-speaking woman who writes on discernment. Her site says one of her goals is “to help women discern” and provide trustworthy ministry links because of the amount of false teaching out there. She also writes directly on false teachers and false doctrine, including articles warning against defending false teachers.

Great recommendations, thanks David ... some Links:

Michelle Lesley: "Discernment, False Teachers, Unbiblical Trends": Michelle Lesley
Amy Spreeman: "Berean Research": Berean Research – "Guard Yourselves in Steadfast Truth!"
Elizabeth Prata: "Discernment": (no title)

There are some really interesting writings from these women

I'm going to post one of Amy Spreeman's articles

 

[TitusTwoWife]

This was part of an email I got from How To Be a Submissive Wife on substack.

"A stronger foundation is built when a wife shifts her focus away from what she can extract from marriage and toward what she can faithfully bring into it. That shift changes everything. It softens her spirit. It steadies her emotions. It teaches her to stop keeping score. It frees her from the exhausting habit of watching her husband to see whether he is measuring up, and instead leads her into the much more fruitful question: how can I support him well, serve him faithfully, and help build a home where he feels respected, strengthened, and at peace?

This is not weakness. It is not passivity. It is not the erasure of womanhood. It is the beginning of maturity."

 

[David]

Here are the verses Im being mindful of.

1 Timothy 2:11-14
King James Version
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Online forums are definitely a grey area for me. I tread more carefully these days.

I understand that caution, and I think it is wise. ~1 Timothy 2:11-14 should not be ignored or explained away.

I would just say this: there is a difference between stepping into authority and simply standing on truth. Priscilla did not take over Apollos, but she and Aquila helped explain “the way of God more perfectly” ~Acts 18:26.

So yes, online debates can get ugly fast, and there is wisdom in stepping back. But meekness does not mean a woman has no voice. A quiet spirit can still speak truth, as long as truth is spoken under God’s order and not out of pride or strife.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Someone asked how a home-centered wife is even beneficial to a man. I'd like to talk about it.

So the logic of the question goes, if a man can make his own lunch, do his own chores, etc what does he gain if a woman does this for him?

I actually like this question. Of course, a woman today can also pay her own bills. Why bother with gender roles?

There are two big reasons that come to kind right away: specialization and efficiency.

It's a lot easier to master one thing by investing time in it than three or four things. A biblical patriarchal husband can be decent at childcare and chores but he only has to master bringing in those paychecks and leadership. Not bills, chores, childcare, and cooking.

A biblical home centered wife can focus all her energy into making a home that renews the energy of the family. She specializes in bringing peace and order to the home. Can she do this and bring in a paycheck? Sure. She can make money. But it's extremely hard to be both a primary breadwinner and do chores, cooking, and childcare for a family.

Next, I want make something clear: it is easier to focus on the demands of a career when outside distractions are limited. It may seem insignificant for a wife to cook one meal, do one load of laundry, and be in charge of the children for a day. But think about the money saved from not having to outsource those things and the energy the man saves by not having to put these things on his plate. Now multiply that. Days turn into months. Months into years. That's a lot of energy that is being reinvested into doing better at the role of providing an income. That's why couples that "sacrifice" the wife's income don't often stay poor forever and end up doing really well through the husband's promotions and advancements.

 

[bobinfaith]

Someone asked how a home-centered wife is even beneficial to a man. I'd like to talk about it.

So the logic of the question goes, if a man can make his own lunch, do his own chores, etc what does he gain if a woman does this for him?

I actually like this question. Of course, a woman today can also pay her own bills. Why bother with gender roles?

There are two big reasons that come to kind right away: specialization and efficiency.

It's a lot easier to master one thing by investing time in it than three or four things. A biblical patriarchal husband can be decent at childcare and chores but he only has to master bringing in those paychecks and leadership. Not bills, chores, childcare, and cooking.

A biblical home centered wife can focus all her energy into making a home that renews the energy of the family. She specializes in bringing peace and order to the home. Can she do this and bring in a paycheck? Sure. She can make money. But it's extremely hard to be both a primary breadwinner and do chores, cooking, and childcare for a family.

Next, I want make something clear: it is easier to focus on the demands of a career when outside distractions are limited. It may seem insignificant for a wife to cook one meal, do one load of laundry, and be in charge of the children for a day. But think about the money saved from not having to outsource those things and the energy the man saves by not having to put these things on his plate. Now multiply that. Days turn into months. Months into years. That's a lot of energy that is being reinvested into doing better at the role of providing an income. That's why couples that "sacrifice" the wife's income don't often stay poor forever and end up doing really well through the husband's promotions and advancements.

Good morning, TitusTwoWife;

I'd like to respond to the person who asked you this question when I get back from Bible study.

To be continued...

God bless you, sister.

Bob

 

[bobinfaith]

Hello TitusTwoWife;

Is the person who asked you this question a student of the Bible? If not, did you take the time to minister to them?

There were holes in their analysis of the ministry in a marriage. It's understandable that a newlywed marriage will go through growing pains. But a seasoned marriage blossoms by years of work, failures and successes, that they put into their lifetime relationship.

When we're relaxing next to each other she'll ask me out of nowhere to bring her a tissue. I don't get caught up with roles, I just do it. When she goes to the kitchen to get a snack like a tangerine, she'll share half of it with me when she comes back.

It's those little things when God does great things because He is always present working on behalf of our marriage, not just the major productions.

Proverbs 31:11, 11 The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he will have no lack of gain. - ESV

The one KEY that should always be constant and that's talking with each other about everything. This includes trust. Not just fidelity but the ability to trust sharing everything with each other.

Or, out of nowhere when we do or say something that will frustrate the other, God is right there guiding us. We've learned to take a step back, trust and express our feelings after a little while instead of saying something at the moment that we will regret later (been there, YIKES!)

God bless you, TitusTwoWife.

Bob

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Is the person who asked you this question a student of the Bible? If not, did you take the time to minister to them?

This was a non-Christian on a Christian forum. He is now a recent convert to the faith. I figured he was on his way. I just tried to be a good example but didn't feel led to do a direct witness.

 

[bobinfaith]

This was a non-Christian on a Christian forum. He is now a recent convert to the faith. I figured he was on his way. I just tried to be a good example but didn't feel led to do a direct witness.

Dear TitusTwoWife;

This is great! A blessing to our ears and hearts. God bless him and his family.

Thank you, TitusTwoWife, for sharing.

Bob

 

[Yesua888]

Next, I want make something clear: it is easier to focus on the demands of a career when outside distractions are limited. It may seem insignificant for a wife to cook one meal, do one load of laundry, and be in charge of the children for a day. But think about the money saved from not having to outsource those things and the energy the man saves by not having to put these things on his plate. Now multiply that. Days turn into months. Months into years. That's a lot of energy that is being reinvested into doing better at the role of providing an income. That's why couples that "sacrifice" the wife's income don't often stay poor forever and end up doing really well through the husband's promotions and advancements.

It is sad to realise how many "women" feel unappreciated in the home, and have to prove their worth
The above statement should settle so much of the debate around "stay at home Mums or Dads". However, society has changed, the world has changed.
Will things go back to how they were generations ago, when "stay at home Mums" were completely the norm?
How do we overcome this problem, in the world today?
I like what Bob said previously ...
And my take is that we are in the World and NOT of it ... John 15:19
In a home where both parents are Believers in Jesus Christ, this issue should not arise ...
I personally think that the Mum or Dad who is feeling under-appreciated, needs support, and the only meaningful support that I can offer, comes from Jesus!

 

[bobinfaith]

It is sad to realise how many "women" feel unappreciated in the home, and have to prove their worth
The above statement should settle so much of the debate around "stay at home Mums or Dads". However, society has changed, the world has changed.

Will things go back to how they were generations ago, when "stay at home Mums" were completely the norm? How do we overcome this problem, in the world today?

And my take is that we are in the World and NOT of it ... John 15:19
In a home where both parents are Believers in Jesus Christ, this issue should not arise ...

I personally think that the Mum or Dad who is feeling under-appreciated, needs support, and the only meaningful support that I can offer, comes from Jesus!

Good morning, Linda;

Thank you for sharing and providing the Scripture in John 15:19 which should be the anchor and core foundation for every home, husband and wife.

Of course we understand it's not that way for every home in these times. Some married couples get an early start of discipleship regarding the home, and others have to get through years of hard knocks (which most of us have experienced.)

You wrote, Will things go back to how they were generations ago, when "stay at home Mums" were completely the norm? How do we overcome this problem, in the world today?

I don't know the answer to a complex world we live in today, Linda, it has seeped in from all sides even in the Christian home.

We can always start with God, first. His renewed chances, redefining the role of the husband and wife's marriage according to His Christian values and blessing the family and home. This sets the example for the children who are very good observers behind closed doors in their home, and take what ministers to them when they start their own families in the future.

1 Peter 3:1-16 is a good study that can be applied to the marriage, core foundation of a Christian home and anointing the role of husband and wife.

If this is what we truly want then we must trust God when Christ teaches that He first chose us out of the world so we may bear fruit.

God bless everyone.

Bob

 

[Yesua888]

I completely agree with this:

1 Peter 3:1-16 "The passage emphasizes that those who suffer for righteousness should not fear but instead honor Christ as Lord in their hearts, always being prepared to give a gentle and respectful answer for the hope they possess. Believers are urged to maintain a clear conscience, so that those who slander them may be put to shame by their good behavior in Christ."

 

[bobinfaith]

I just tried to be a good example but didn't feel led to do a direct witness.

It is sad to realise how many "women" feel unappreciated in the home, and have to prove their worth

Good morning,

We should never demand appreciation. We should always appreciate our spouse and children.

Does anyone know that no matter how old grown up children are, how educated, professional or faith in God, every child loves to hear when their Dad or Mom, say, "I'm always proud of you"

I have a question. Our 41st anniversary is June 1. Years ago we would go out for the whole evening.

But times have changed. I always remember and made a reservation for a nice restaurant but she wants an early dinner so we can come home early. That's it! Does she appreciate the gesture?

Bob

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Good morning,

We should never demand appreciation. We should always appreciate our spouse and children.

Does anyone know that no matter how old grown up children are, how educated, professional or faith in God, every child loves to hear when their Dad or Mom, say, "I'm always proud of you"

I have a question. Our 41st anniversary is June 1. Years ago we would go out for the whole evening.

But times have changed. I always remember and made a reservation for a nice restaurant but she wants an early dinner so we can come home early. That's it! Does she appreciate the gesture?

Bob

I find that with time, in marriage, we need less grand gestures because we are secure in the love of the other. I have proof of my husband's love every day. So I don't feel put out without a special gesture anymore.

 

[Yesua888]

Good morning,

We should never demand appreciation. We should always appreciate our spouse and children.

Does anyone know that no matter how old grown up children are, how educated, professional or faith in God, every child loves to hear when their Dad or Mom, say, "I'm always proud of you"

I have a question. Our 41st anniversary is June 1. Years ago we would go out for the whole evening.

But times have changed. I always remember and made a reservation for a nice restaurant but she wants an early dinner so we can come home early. That's it! Does she appreciate the gesture?

Bob

Hi Bob and Helen,

Personally, I have found lately that I too do not want to go out much, especially not at night ...

Home is Good, especially because God makes it so

AND yes, things have changed, in so many ways : ) : ) : )

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY ... a Wonderful Achievement
xxx

 

[David]

Hi Bob and Helen,

Personally, I have found lately that I too do not want to go out much, especially not at night ...

Home is Good, especially because God makes it so

AND yes, things have changed, in so many ways : ) : ) : )

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY ... a Wonderful Achievement
xxxView attachment 422

Love the 41 years together. Forever to go mug.

 

[David]

Saw this today and thought some here may like to read it?

 

[Yesua888]

Saw this today and thought some here may like to read it?

For starters, if there are children in the "partnership":

"In Australia, pre-school or kindergarten fees typically range from $45 to $80 per day, while outside of school hours care (before and after school) costs between $15 and $30 per morning session and $25 to $45 per afternoon session."

Lets just take an average of $60 per day x say 300 days per year = AU$18 000
Pensioners have live off $18 000 per year!

Maybe the stay at home parent could fit in "paint the house" too : ) : ) : )

I'm sure there is so much more to add here : )

 

[TitusTwoWife]

This bad faith argument cropped up in my Pinterest feed.

In this woman's attempt to refuse to take ownership of the dishes, she starts complaining about her husband.

Imagine if a husband turned this type of thinking on his wife. "You didn't put gas in my car for me, you did it for the household." "You didn't cook a meal for me, it's for the household that you also live in.

She gossips and complains when she could've thanked him for doing the dishes and flirted with him to encourage him to do it in the future. But feminism ruins relationships and you can see it here.

 

[Yesua888]

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This bad faith argument cropped up in my Pinterest feed.

In this woman's attempt to refuse to take ownership of the dishes, she starts complaining about her husband.

Imagine if a husband turned this type of thinking on his wife. "You didn't put gas in my car for me, you did it for the household." "You didn't cook a meal for me, it's for the household that you also live in.

She gossips and complains when she could've thanked him for doing the dishes and flirted with him to encourage him to do it in the future. But feminism ruins relationships and you can see it here.

Thanks for sharing : )

I still remember the response from Bob to a "woman's duty in the house", when he shared a bit of his domestic "chores" (not), and how relationships mature.

"taking ownership of the dishes" brings this verse to my mind:
"If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out?" (Matthew 12:11

I was a stay at home Mum once, and something that does happen, is we focus on the home, and miss a lot of other things going on outside of the home. I do remember boring my husband with all the details of daily events at home in his absence; over and over again ...

Every household and circumstance is different though, and we don't get me wrong, we certainly do learn by sharing ...
There is no way for anyone outside of the situation, to know all the "details". Often when someone is "complaining" or needing "validation", they emphasise their worth more and downplay the other person's part in it all.
This is why Jesus taught "Matthew 7:1 states: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

As David teaches, we need to focus on what God wants and look at the Big Picture.

I had to look this one up, because I know that there is a bible verse or two somewhere, and this one somewhat touches on what came to my mind about the sharing of these woman who need "validation" or "feedback" (a call for help maybe?):

Matthew 23:23 records Jesus’ fourth "woe" against the scribes and Pharisees, condemning them as hypocrites for meticulously tithing small herbs like mint, dill, and cumin while neglecting the "weightier matters of the law." Maybe this fits, or maybe it doen't, and now I am wondering whether I am dismissing what is important to some; I don't mean to.

Then there is this "idiom" "the devil is in the detail" ... sounds harsh and I don't think it is biblical. I'm just sharing what these stories conjure up in my thoughts.

Should it not be "God is in the details"

 

[bobinfaith]

Thanks for sharing : )

I still remember the response from Bob to a "woman's duty in the house", when he shared a bit of his domestic "chores" (not), and how relationships mature.

"taking ownership of the dishes" brings this verse to my mind:
"If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out?" (Matthew 12:11

I was a stay at home Mum once, and something that does happen, is we focus on the home, and miss a lot of other things going on outside of the home. I do remember boring my husband with all the details of daily events at home in his absence; over and over again ...

Every household and circumstance is different though, and we don't get me wrong, we certainly do learn by sharing ...
There is no way for anyone outside of the situation, to know all the "details". Often when someone is "complaining" or needing "validation", they emphasise their worth more and downplay the other person's part in it all.
This is why Jesus taught "Matthew 7:1 states: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

As David teaches, we need to focus on what God wants and look at the Big Picture.

I had to look this one up, because I know that there is a bible verse or two somewhere, and this one somewhat touches on what came to my mind about the sharing of these woman who need "validation" or "feedback" (a call for help maybe?):

Matthew 23:23 records Jesus’ fourth "woe" against the scribes and Pharisees, condemning them as hypocrites for meticulously tithing small herbs like mint, dill, and cumin while neglecting the "weightier matters of the law." Maybe this fits, or maybe it doen't, and now I am wondering whether I am dismissing what is important to some; I don't mean to.

Then there is this "idiom" "the devil is in the detail" ... sounds harsh and I don't think it is biblical. I'm just sharing what these stories conjure up in my thoughts.

Should it not be "God is in the details"

Hello Linda;

When Hazel and I were newly weds in 1985 she was a stay home wife while I worked 8 hours or overtime. In those days we always sat down at dinner. She had noone to talk to all day so she would tell me how the day went at "our home (apartment)." I was so tired to talk about work so I got to listen to her.

At times our conversations was how short we were on money, the carpet needed repair or the garbage disposal didn't work and we had to call the landlord. Then the time she got in an accident on the freeway while she was on her way to take her driving test. Thank God she was ok but she failed the driving test. There were also times we'd argue at the dinner table over silly stuff.

Then other times after dinner we'd go to the movies, the mall, take a walk at the beach or when I played in a softball league. We were in our late 20s and had energy. She needed to get out of the house after being home all day.

Don't get me wrong. It wasn't all rosy and we had those early years of disagreeing and arguing, but there was sustenance. I think of Proverbs 31, which is a wonderful example of "building her home."

We both agreed her role as a housewife was nice but it was shortlived. When I was laid off, once for 6 months, money was very tight, but she built the foundation and dwelling of our home. I appreciated her for that while I was collecting unemployment and sending out resumes. By God's grace I was called back to the job.

But then there was a turn of events. By 1987 she started working and in 1988 we felt God call us to leave San Diego and relocate to the SF Bay Area. Moving long distance is a pain!

When we settled and both were gainfully employed, her having a job brought in extra income. She enjoyed working, especially when we bought our first home.

Hazel retired end of 2022 and now we both love to sleep during the morning (on our time) while the both of us manage our home.

God bless everyone.

Bob

 

[Yesua888]

At times our conversations was how short we were on money, the carpet needed repair or the garbage disposal didn't work and we had to call the landlord. Then the time she got in an accident on the freeway while she was on her way to take her driving test. Thank God she was ok but she failed the driving test. There were also times we'd argue at the dinner table over silly stuff. Oh! how I remember those days, and how we slept on a mattress for 6 months, and had boxes in the apartment's small lounge/dining/kitchen space. We could barely afford the rent, and both of us worked ...

We started off eating on our laps, then once the children were born, and we were living in larger accommo, we actually ate at the dining table as a family, now we are back to eating on our laps : ) : ) : ) Then other times after dinner we'd go to the movies, the mall, take a walk at the beach or when I played in a softball league. We were in our late 20s and had energy. She needed to get out of the house after being home all day. Oh, my hubby did not need to get out of the hosue, but I did : ) : ) : ) I remember movies, beach, being served at our car window with a clipped on tray (toasted chicken and mayonaise sandwiches and a cool drink : )

We both agreed her role as a housewife was nice but it was shortlived. When I was laid off, once for 6 months, money was very tight, but she built the foundation and dwelling of our home. I appreciated her for that while I was collecting unemployment and sending out resumes. By God's grace I was called back to the job. My biggest regret, after bringing the children up with me at home, was going back to "school" and that is when things went horribly wrong, and I was too wrapped up in my studies to notice what was happening...

But then there was a turn of events. By 1987 she started working and in 1988 we felt God call us to leave San Diego and relocate to the SF Bay Area. Moving long distance is a pain! Yes, tell me about that ... our biggest move was to Australia 2001 (before that we had moved many times, but locally)

When we settled and both were gainfully employed, her having a job brought in extra income. She enjoyed working, especially when we bought our first home.

Hazel retired end of 2022 and now we both love to sleep during the morning (on our time) while the both of us manage our home. So glad to hear that you both like to sleep in ... I do a lot of that myself, and love it ... this is where I doze, and pray, doze and pray (in my lil cocoon)
Lovely sharing and bringing back the past : )

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Feminism goes so far as to say men are mostly not good or trustworthy but I know what a good man is like.

He feels complete in his loved ones smiles, knowing that his strength and the work of his hands has made their burden lighter.

In his family's thriving, he feels he has fulfilled his purpose. Like the Lord, he'd rather take harsh burdens on himself for the joy of seeing his loved ones happy and having an abundant life.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Question: Why should the man be in charge in a relationship?

Answer (Wrangler of ChristianityBoard wrote this)

1. It's God's way. Ephesians 5:22.

2. The Male Ego, Responsibility. @TitusTwoWife has done a great job of detailing how her husband stepped up when she let him.

3. The Female Ego, Hypergamy. Women are not attracted to their equals.

4. Hierarchical Efficiency. Someone has to "make the call," to end the debat

5. History. Patriarchies are more successful than any society that ever actually existed.

6. Biology: Men are physically superior. The natural resolution to all conflict is in strength.

7. Psychology. Even more important is men are emotionally superior, able to put aside their emotions and do what needs to be done to survive, thrive and take out threats.
Both my wives depended on my for emotional support infinitely more than I depended on them.
It wasn't just the frequency but the intensity.
In the moment of truth, women tend to emote rather than take decisive action.
There are countless vids on Tik Tok of women lamenting their relationship status compared to men.
Countless more women are psychology patients.

 

[bobinfaith]

Feminism goes so far as to say men are mostly not good or trustworthy but I know what a good man is like.

He feels complete in his loved ones smiles, knowing that his strength and the work of his hands has made their burden lighter.

In his family's thriving, he feels he has fulfilled his purpose. Like the Lord, he'd rather take harsh burdens on himself for the joy of seeing his loved ones happy and having an abundant life.

Question: Why should the man be in charge in a relationship? Answer (Wrangler of ChristianityBoard wrote this)

1. It's God's way. Ephesians 5:22.

2. The Male Ego, Responsibility. @TitusTwoWife has done a great job of detailing how her husband stepped up when she let him.

3. The Female Ego, Hypergamy. Women are not attracted to their equals.

4. Hierarchical Efficiency. Someone has to "make the call," to end the debat

5. History. Patriarchies are more successful than any society that ever actually existed.

6. Biology: Men are physically superior. The natural resolution to all conflict is in strength.

7. Psychology. Even more important is men are emotionally superior, able to put aside their emotions and do what needs to be done to survive, thrive and take out threats.
Both my wives depended on my for emotional support infinitely more than I depended on them.
It wasn't just the frequency but the intensity.
In the moment of truth, women tend to emote rather than take decisive action.
There are countless vids on Tik Tok of women lamenting their relationship status compared to men.
Countless more women are psychology patients.

Hello TitusTwoWife;

You know, studying the Bible, discipline in Biblical studies and chewing on God's Word regarding marriage guide us away from these senseless "points" for example, the man at CB forum.

I never heard of feminism including "most men who are not good or trustworthy."

Lord, have mercy! When a couple struggles to sustain their Godly marriage only to be discouraged by toxic statements is broken communication. This does not uplift the striving Godly couple.

However, Paul's mentoring to Timothy teaches us to gently instruct our opponents.

2 Timothy 2:23-26, 23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25 Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

TitusTwoWife, I know you desire the marriage in your home that works, indeed because God is guiding you daily. Keep doing what you're doing, sister.

May God bless you, your husband and children, always.

Bob

 

[creationliberty]

I highly recommend Rachel Wilson's book Occult Feminism.

With respect, I'd like to push back on that a bit and say that
I would NOT recommend Rachel Wilson's book
. Keep in mind that I published my own book exposing feminism, which I will not name here, as I am new, and the mods might think I'm doing self-promotion, which is against their rules. I am here to try and be helpful in conversation; however, I will take liberty to very broadly mention I make all my books free to read on my website.

There are two primary reasons I don't recommend Rachel Wilson's book:

1.
The book is filled to the brim with Orthodoxy propaganda.
Orthodoxy is essentially paganism repackaged. It's the practices of witchcraft with a Jesus sticker slapped on it. I have also published an entire book on that subject, but again, I will not provide any references to that here for concern of violating forum rules. Ultimately, Orthodoxy has nothing to do with Christianity, and it is a stark contradiction that Wilson condemns witchcraft, while practicing it at the same time. Even more wild is the fact that, although Rachel wars against feminism, claiming her religion is patriarchal, Orthodoxy worships a woman (i.e. their goddess "Mary"), which is irony on a mind-blowing level.

2.
Quite a number of references are non-existent
(i.e. they will say only things like "Department of Health" without any other details),
or in some cases, the data she quotes is completely wrong
. I have investigated some of her references myself, and found they were incorrect. For example--and bear with me, because it's been 2-3 years since I read it--I think it is her third reference in the book, she says that (and this is close to a quote) "Witchcraft is the fastest growing religion in America," however, her reference demonstrates that is not true. It makes for a flashy, enticing opening to her book, but only to those who don't double-check her.
The reference was to a study, drawing data from a roughly 20-year period, and there were categories of religions. The category she is referring to is "other," not witchcraft. The "other" category is an assortment of religions, and granted, many of them may be classified as witchcraft, but to be fair, Orthodoxy is also witchcraft, yet, they don't include that in the "other" category. Over the 20 years (from around 1995 to 2015, or roughly therein) the number of people in all these "other" religious categories went from 500k to 2.5 million.
However, if you read the whole study, you'll see that, for example, atheism and agnosticism grew much more than that over the same period. What Rachel did was deceptive in that regard because she looked at the RATIO instead of the actually growth number. To demonstrate my point, let's suppose that, in 1995, I started a religion that worshiped Skittles, and we had 10 members. Over the next 20 years, we added 100 people, and that would mean we had a 1000% growth in 20 years. If we compare that to a religion with 20 million members that increased to 25 million members, that would be a 25% growth. Thus, if we looked at ratio only, my Skittles-worshiping religion would still be labeled the fastest growing religion in the country, but that's a deceitful claim.

Don't misunderstand, I might like Andrew & Rachel Wilson personally, and agree with them heavily on the subject of feminism and history, but they are not Christians. They feign Christianity, relying on their works of religious rituals to save them, deceiving thousands of other people into beliefs that will lead them to the wide gates of hell.

I cannot, in good conscience, recommend her book to anyone. She has admitted openly in interviews, her book never would have seen the light of day if not for her being a female, and getting an interview on FOX News for being a female writing against feminism in a female-privileged society. There are other authors who have done a far better job, but Rachel is the "flavor of the month" so to speak, yet, it is my solemn belief that Christians should have more discernment than that.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
-2Ti 2:15

Your effort to share your passions against the demonically-inspired feminist narrative is commendable to say the least, and if you read all of my post, I thank you for your kindness towards me. The wildfire of feminism has affected far too many institutions nowadays, and needs heavy pushback from born again Christians. However, I hope you may reconsider putting Rachel on a pedestal because she is deceiving many people, whether knowingly or not.

 

[bobinfaith]

With respect, I'd like to push back on that a bit and say that
I would NOT recommend Rachel Wilson's book
. Keep in mind that I published my own book exposing feminism, which I will not name here, as I am new, and the mods might think I'm doing self-promotion, which is against their rules. I am here to try and be helpful in conversation; however, I will take liberty to very broadly mention I make all my books free to read on my website.

There are two primary reasons I don't recommend Rachel Wilson's book:

1.
The book is filled to the brim with Orthodoxy propaganda.
Orthodoxy is essentially paganism repackaged. It's the practices of witchcraft with a Jesus sticker slapped on it. I have also published an entire book on that subject, but again, I will not provide any references to that here for concern of violating forum rules. Ultimately, Orthodoxy has nothing to do with Christianity, and it is a stark contradiction that Wilson condemns witchcraft, while practicing it at the same time. Even more wild is the fact that, although Rachel wars against feminism, claiming her religion is patriarchal, Orthodoxy worships a woman (i.e. their goddess "Mary"), which is irony on a mind-blowing level.

2.
Quite a number of references are non-existent
(i.e. they will say only things like "Department of Health" without any other details),
or in some cases, the data she quotes is completely wrong
. I have investigated some of her references myself, and found they were incorrect. For example--and bear with me, because it's been 2-3 years since I read it--I think it is her third reference in the book, she says that (and this is close to a quote) "Witchcraft is the fastest growing religion in America," however, her reference demonstrates that is not true. It makes for a flashy, enticing opening to her book, but only to those who don't double-check her.
The reference was to a study, drawing data from a roughly 20-year period, and there were categories of religions. The category she is referring to is "other," not witchcraft. The "other" category is an assortment of religions, and granted, many of them may be classified as witchcraft, but to be fair, Orthodoxy is also witchcraft, yet, they don't include that in the "other" category. Over the 20 years (from around 1995 to 2015, or roughly therein) the number of people in all these "other" religious categories went from 500k to 2.5 million.
However, if you read the whole study, you'll see that, for example, atheism and agnosticism grew much more than that over the same period. What Rachel did was deceptive in that regard because she looked at the RATIO instead of the actually growth number. To demonstrate my point, let's suppose that, in 1995, I started a religion that worshiped Skittles, and we had 10 members. Over the next 20 years, we added 100 people, and that would mean we had a 1000% growth in 20 years. If we compare that to a religion with 20 million members that increased to 25 million members, that would be a 25% growth. Thus, if we looked at ratio only, my Skittles-worshiping religion would still be labeled the fastest growing religion in the country, but that's a deceitful claim.

Don't misunderstand, I might like Andrew & Rachel Wilson personally, and agree with them heavily on the subject of feminism and history, but they are not Christians. They feign Christianity, relying on their works of religious rituals to save them, deceiving thousands of other people into beliefs that will lead them to the wide gates of hell.

I cannot, in good conscience, recommend her book to anyone. She has admitted openly in interviews, her book never would have seen the light of day if not for her being a female, and getting an interview on FOX News for being a female writing against feminism in a female-privileged society. There are other authors who have done a far better job, but Rachel is the "flavor of the month" so to speak, yet, it is my solemn belief that Christians should have more discernment than that.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
-2Ti 2:15

Your effort to share your passions against the demonically-inspired feminist narrative is commendable to say the least, and if you read all of my post, I thank you for your kindness towards me. The wildfire of feminism has affected far too many institutions nowadays, and needs heavy pushback from born again Christians. However, I hope you may reconsider putting Rachel on a pedestal because she is deceiving many people, whether knowingly or not.

Hello creationliberty;

Thank you for joining Biblical Truth Forum. We hope you enjoy the fellowship with everyone here.

My wife and I reside and serve the Lord in the San Francisco Bay Area.

We were former members of the Church of God (based out of Anderson, Indiana.) We served in South San Francisco from 1996 to 2005. As a teen I played Senior League baseball all star competition which used to be hosted in Gary, Indiana. Unfortunately we didn't make it that far.

creationliberty, I never heard of orthodoxy considered as paganism, nor articulated that way. I'm familiar and have experienced orthodoxy, the orthodox and unorthodox Churches in Romania and Ukraine while serving short term missionaries in 2022 and 2024. Their core beliefs include the Trinity, Nature Gospel of Christ, and Salvation. Their doctrines merit room for debate but that is for another discussion.

Getting back to the verb of this topic, I don't know Rachel Wilson, and like you, if we crossed paths I'd say hello to her, but I'm not interested in reading her book. In my post# 31, my wife and I don't entertain feminism or machismo. Both don't align with Scripture. If these misguided cultures gave an ounce of Biblical study they would educate themselves in God's assigned roles for a man and a woman.

I feel it's important to keep an open heart for such discussions but I am brutally prudish for Christ, God's Word and to be honest, I sleep good at night with my convictions.

I feel TitusTwoWife was only referencing Ms. Wilson as a case of example. I remember when my wife was a stay home wife as newly weds. She contributed greatly in the care of our home while I worked. I personally support TitusTwoWife's role as wife, mother and homemaker.

God bless you, creationliberty, you entire family and thank you for sharing your post.

Bob