Against Feminism

[TitusTwoWife]

This thread will be a space for posting videos, thoughts, discussion, graphics, and articles about feminism. Mine will all be against it.

Feminism is founded on lies and is terrible for women, men, children, and society. It contributes to obesity problems in nations, has caused the abortion of millions of babies, divorce has skyrocketed, and is highly unbiblical.

What worked for centuries is biblical patriarchy. Ill be explaining that this was not a system of oppression towards women. Think of the Titanic and who got to escape the sinking ship first.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I highly recommend Rachel Wilson's book Occult Feminism.

She goes into some of it in this interview where she explains some of the myths of feminism.

For example, most women were actually against suffrage or the right for women to vote.

Women owned property, were educated, and had women's colleges before feminism took hold.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

 

[TitusTwoWife]

 

[David]

I highly recommend Rachel Wilson's book Occult Feminism.

She goes into some of it in this interview where she explains some of the myths of feminism.

For example, most women were actually against suffrage or the right for women to vote.

Women owned property, were educated, and had women's colleges before feminism took hold.

From the video there’s no question the culture has drifted far from God’s design.

But we’ve got to be careful not to turn this into feminism versus patriarchy like it’s just a system problem. Scripture doesn’t deal with it that way. The root issue isn’t feminism. It’s sin.

Jesus said, “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts… pride…” ~Mark 7:21–22. That’s the problem. You can remove feminism tomorrow and still have broken homes, selfishness, and rebellion because the heart hasn’t changed.

And what worked in the past wasn’t a label like “patriarchy.” It was people actually living under God’s authority. Scripture does give order. “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord” ~Ephesians 5:22. But it also says, “Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it” ~Ephesians 5:25. That’s not control. That’s sacrifice.

So the answer isn’t just pushing back on feminism. The answer is returning to what God actually said and dealing with the real issue, which is the heart. Do you think removing God from public life is part of why things are declining?

Because without that, you can change systems all day and nothing truly gets fixed.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

But we’ve got to be careful not to turn this into feminism versus patriarchy like it’s just a system problem. Scripture doesn’t deal with it that way. The root issue isn’t feminism. It’s sin.

A lot of people do not see the problems in feminism and how it can lead to sin. It's worth talking about.

And what worked in the past wasn’t a label like “patriarchy.” It was people actually living under God’s authority.

I do not separate biblical order and patriarchy. Patriarchy just means "rule of the father". The Bible is patriarchal. It may be a term that makes people uncomfortable but it's still accurate.

Do you believe society has done just as well under feminism? I can't say it has.

Feminism undermines so many core tenets of Christian doctrine. It calls marriage and motherhood slavery. It undermines male leadership and headship. It denies the goodness of masculinity. It creates competition between men and women instead of cooperation.

 

[David]

Do you believe society has done just as well under feminism? I can't say it has.

No I do not believe society has done well under feminism.

I hear what you’re saying, and you’re right, a lot of what’s being pushed today under feminism runs straight against what Scripture teaches. That’s worth calling out.

I was just pointing out what the bible said about the issue.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

This is a really good segment explaining the value of getting married young and going ahead and starting a family. Crowder combats the idea that you need to be wealthy to have children, promoting stay at home motherhood and homeschooling as key factors that produce great outcomes.

 

[David]

This is a really good segment explaining the value of getting married young and going ahead and starting a family. Crowder combats the idea that you need to be wealthy to have children, promoting stay at home motherhood and homeschooling as key factors that produce great outcomes.

Yeah, I hear what you’re saying, and I think this is a good conversation to have. There’s definitely truth in pushing back on the idea that you need to be wealthy before having kids. Scripture doesn’t present children as something you wait on until life is perfect. It actually says, “Children are an heritage of the LORD” ~Psalm 127:3, so they’re a blessing, not a burden tied to income.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I loved shopping, restaurants, and college. This was the lifestyle I grew up with. But no place compares to home.

It's profitable to teach women to crave chaos and to be loud like the harlot of Proverbs 7.

Proverbs 7:11
King James Version
11 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:

If companies can convince women that home is boring and stifling, then they're more likely to fuel their shopping addictions.

But when home is invested in, meals, exercise, rest, and connection at home are special and irreplaceable.

I learned to be home-centered through my husband's influence and Scripture. Titus 2:3-5 says women are to be obedient keepers at home among other things so that the Word of God is not blasphemed.

While it's fine to leave the house, home-centeredness is to be the focus of married women. And after unlearning worldly values, home has truly stolen my heart. It is a sanctuary. A special place.

 

[bobinfaith]

This thread will be a space for posting videos, thoughts, discussion, graphics, and articles about feminism. Mine will all be against it.

Feminism is founded on lies and is terrible for women, men, children, and society. It contributes to obesity problems in nations, has caused the abortion of millions of babies, divorce has skyrocketed, and is highly unbiblical.

What worked for centuries is biblical patriarchy. Ill be explaining that this was not a system of oppression towards women. Think of the Titanic and who got to escape the sinking ship first.

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Good morning, TitusTwoWife;

I was 11 years old in 1968. At a young age I wasn't familiar with feminism but remember the various slogans about women's rights, songs that were written about it, equal pay, etc...

To me, this has been going on for decades. I read the Rockefeller statement and feel Nick and Aaron were out of touch, even for those times;

"Women going to work was an opportunity for increased payroll taxes. Women would spend more time away from the family and the state / teachers would be able to indoctrinate and control children. All this according to the world doctrine."

The flip side of this is Godly women who stayed home as a full time Mom. My mother chose not to hold a job because the Lord provided all our needs. Her role identified God's character though things were not perfect, her children still grew up stable and secure.

She never grumbled about being a slave at home, missed career opportunities or the freedom outside the home. To her, the home foundation took precedence.

Dad was deployed twice during the Vietnam war so Mom stayed home to raise us. By the time I was 15 I had assumed the role as second man of the house and the responsibilities learned by Mom. She went back to school and later was blessed with a federal job.

I believed in many ways this prepared her from being a stay home Mom.

There are hidden lessons for women to learn while God entrusts them the stewardship of being a full time stay home Mom, helper and partner.

Genesis 1 & 2 identifies the woman's role in the home and God's creation of marriage.

Galatians 3:28, 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. - RSV

God bless you, TitusTwoWife.

Bob

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Feminism did not make women happier. An interesting study concluded that women reported greater levels of happiness in the 1970's. As time went on men became the happier reporting gender.

I grew up in a post feminist world. When I attended my senior year of high school, not one adult in my life suggested I could go on to be a homemaker. I was definitely asked which college I wanted to go to. I dreaded college and frankly did not want to go. But there was so much pressure from family, I felt like I could hardly voice this.

I think if I could've met my husband without the pressure to go to college, I would have avoided a lot of stress and mental health issues. I'd have started having babies earlier.

I was told I couldn't rely on a man to take care of me, so I had to pick a career. Getting married and having babies seemed unheard of yet that's what I secretly craved.

I think women were happier when career was not pushed so heavily. Many feel they have no choice but to work either because of the economy or to pay off student loans. But when you're young, that's a great time to get married and have children. It doesn't mean you settled or you'll stay poor forever. It really is a blessed life.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

As a wife, I strive to fulfill my role of making my husband's life easier so he can fulfill his role of leading, protecting, and providing for me and our children easier.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Unfortunately a lot of marriage complaints from women sound like this.




They seem to be going out of their way to not be pleased by their spouses efforts. I myself used to argue about chores when we tried to split them and we both worked outside the home. Now, it's different.

I don't expect my husband to do any chores when he comes home. If he wants to help, I'm very grateful but its not an expectation. He pays every single bill so I do see all the domestic things as my responsibility. We don't argue about it either. We each have gotten better and better at our roles, despite me not being raised to be a housewife.

I see therapists posting about how "partners" should come home from work and do chores to help stay at home mom's. I see this as a recipe for stress, resentment, and arguing. A good marriage is about serving where you can, not extracting all you can get. I believe in living in peace and not sacrificing it just to get your man to do extra chores after he's already worked to provide.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

A good marriage is about serving where you can, not extracting all you can get. I believe in living in peace and not sacrificing it just to get your man to do extra chores after he's already worked to provide.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Titus 2:3-5
King James Version
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

 

[Yesua888]

It is always appreciated when my husband helps in the kitchen, especially when we have family over is family come often and there are many many of them. There have been times when I have been upset that everything has been left for me to do, even by the women present. I had to express my frustration and that I felt "taken forgranted".

It is not right for everyone present to sit around, waiting for one elderly person to do absolutely everhything, especially when there are so many visitors at one time.

Sometimes, we have to go through the frustrations, to realise that we do need to ask for help, or express our unhappiness. It is especially important to ask for God's help and guidance; it always works!

 

[Yesua888]

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"50/50" ... is something to be TRUTHFUL about ... how much are women really able to do "outside of the kitchen"; do they keep up with their husbands 50/50? Are women really as strong as men, and were they made that way?
Remember the "old days", when most women were "housewives", where the children had someone to come home to after school. Mum used to make breakfast for everyone, lunches, do the household chores, and then supervise homework. Things were in balance!
Then things changed ...
Is there more child abuse since those "old days"?
Is there more separation in homes today?
What about wholesome values?
What happened to Granny and Grandpa, who helped look after the children, when the parents needed some "awway time"?
Do Granny and Grandpa work too nowdays?
How things have changed ...

 

[TitusTwoWife]

It's not that how well I make my home somehow measures me but rather homemaking is an opportunity to sew to the Spirit and serve God. It is the hidden person of the heart that God treasures. So if I serve in my home with a good attitude, love, and view to honor God, the temporary engagement of homemaking becomes my spiritual advantage.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

 

[TitusTwoWife]

 

[Yesua888]

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Good morning, TitusTwoWife;

I was 11 years old in 1968. At a young age I wasn't familiar with feminism but remember the various slogans about women's rights, songs that were written about it, equal pay, etc...

To me, this has been going on for decades. I read the Rockefeller statement and feel Nick and Aaron were out of touch, even for those times;

"Women going to work was an opportunity for increased payroll taxes. Women would spend more time away from the family and the state / teachers would be able to indoctrinate and control children. All this according to the world doctrine."

The flip side of this is Godly women who stayed home as a full time Mom. My mother chose not to hold a job because the Lord provided all our needs. Her role identified God's character though things were not perfect, her children still grew up stable and secure.

She never grumbled about being a slave at home, missed career opportunities or the freedom outside the home. To her, the home foundation took precedence.

Dad was deployed twice during the Vietnam war so Mom stayed home to raise us. By the time I was 15 I had assumed the role as second man of the house and the responsibilities learned by Mom. She went back to school and later was blessed with a federal job.

I believed in many ways this prepared her from being a stay home Mom.

There are hidden lessons for women to learn while God entrusts them the stewardship of being a full time stay home Mom, helper and partner.

Genesis 1 & 2 identifies the woman's role in the home and God's creation of marriage.

Galatians 3:28, 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. - RSV

God bless you, TitusTwoWife.

Bob

I so agree with what you say Bob, and TitusTwoWife ...
This "feminism" movement has caused division ...
The majority of children today go to early day care, and then into school, college, uni then into the workplace. Those good ole days are gone!
How many children, play outdoors (instead of playing on devices for hours). How many children sit on the lawn, climb a tree, swim in a creek, visit friends on their bikes, in the neighbourhood? Children are stuck between 4 walls, and have no inclination to go outside, or to make friends.
Our children spend little time with their intended, proper "primary care givers" because society (the system) has pressurised both parents to work.
Prices continue to rise, forcing both parents, as well as grandparents to work.
The days of grandparents being available for their granschildren are over, and so are days where children were brought up by their parents.Instead they are brought up by the system, and institutions - "separation" by design.
I don't know about other countries (I suspect they are the same), but in Australia, public libraries display and make available, pornagraphic children's books ... some parents protest, but this falls on deaf ears.
Schools teach kindergarden children to masturbate, because this is "normal".
Our children (for generations) have been vulerable to the system in so many ways. This vulnerbility is seen in the choices that parents, and grandparents make today (caught up in this way of life, believing that this is "evolution" or the "norm").
Parents and Gransparents have no time to contemplate or enjoy life as it was mean to be enjoyed. Instead they are forced to stay on the merry go around, (in the rat race), in order to survive and keep up with how the World has been engineered to be today.
The "pandemic" saw so many of us moving away from friends, networks even family members - more separation through differences in opinoin and belief.
Everyone is following this way of life today, so any stay at home Mum is in the minority, and may feel inferior, by not contributing to the coffers that are so necessary now to put food on the table and a roof over the families head.
I remember feeling inferior when I did not work, and the words "a kept woman" was heard so often, in our community.
Feminism (the system) is also indoctrinating people to believe that children are a burden. I can see how this would tie in with the idea that the World is overpopulated too.
If we reflect on how things were say 3 generations ago, and how things are today, the mind boggles.
We have to be honest, and realise that this is not what God wanted for us, and unfortunately it all started at the first disobeyance in the garden ... evil moved in, and everything has gone downhill. Without knowing it, humanity has been unaware of where all this indoctrination, propaganda and "convenience" (as in gadgets) was leading leading us.
It is now time for us to stand on what we believe, change "our" mindsets, and support clean living, and each other.
I am all for homeschooling, and wish that more mums and dads would join forces in the neighbourhood, to roster supervision of the children., looking after the kids.
My time is over as regards homeschooling. However, if there was a need in our neighbourhood, (and I do not belong to a Church in our region, so that door is not open), I would volunteer to have children come to my home to learn creative skills.
Notice how young people are turning to "tiny homes" in order to afford a "roof over their heads" that they can own. Many are looking towards sustainability (growing their own food), and homeschooling kids - yes, in their tiny homes, on rented properties. Things are changing rapidly ...
Anyway, things are as they are, and if we are willing to make a difference, I am sure that God will guide and support us in our endeavours
This is indeed a great topic, thanks TitusTwoWife

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I so agree with what you say Bob, and TitusTwoWife ...
This "feminism" movement has caused division ...
The majority of children today go to early day care, and then into school, college, uni then into the workplace. Those good ole days are gone!
How many children, play outdoors (instead of playing on devices for hours). How many children sit on the lawn, climb a tree, swim in a creek, visit friends on their bikes, in the neighbourhood? Children are stuck between 4 walls, and have no inclination to go outside, or to make friends.
Our children spend little time with their intended, proper "primary care givers" because society (the system) has pressurised both parents to work.
Prices continue to rise, forcing both parents, as well as grandparents to work.
The days of grandparents being available for their granschildren are over, and so are days where children were brought up by their parents.Instead they are brought up by the system, and institutions - "separation" by design.
I don't know about other countries (I suspect they are the same), but in Australia, public libraries display and make available, pornagraphic children's books ... some parents protest, but this falls on deaf ears.
Schools teach kindergarden children to masturbate, because this is "normal".
Our children (for generations) have been vulerable to the system in so many ways. This vulnerbility is seen in the choices that parents, and grandparents make today (caught up in this way of life, believing that this is "evolution" or the "norm").
Parents and Gransparents have no time to contemplate or enjoy life as it was mean to be enjoyed. Instead they are forced to stay on the merry go around, (in the rat race), in order to survive and keep up with how the World has been engineered to be today.
The "pandemic" saw so many of us moving away from friends, networks even family members - more separation through differences in opinoin and belief.
Everyone is following this way of life today, so any stay at home Mum is in the minority, and may feel inferior, by not contributing to the coffers that are so necessary now to put food on the table and a roof over the families head.
I remember feeling inferior when I did not work, and the words "a kept woman" was heard so often, in our community.
Feminism (the system) is also indoctrinating people to believe that children are a burden. I can see how this would tie in with the idea that the World is overpopulated too.
If we reflect on how things were say 3 generations ago, and how things are today, the mind boggles.
We have to be honest, and realise that this is not what God wanted for us, and unfortunately it all started at the first disobeyance in the garden ... evil moved in, and everything has gone downhill. Without knowing it, humanity has been unaware of where all this indoctrination, propaganda and "convenience" (as in gadgets) was leading leading us.
It is now time for us to stand on what we believe, change "our" mindsets, and support clean living, and each other.
I am all for homeschooling, and wish that more mums and dads would join forces in the neighbourhood, to roster supervision of the children., looking after the kids.
My time is over as regards homeschooling. However, if there was a need in our neighbourhood, (and I do not belong to a Church in our region, so that door is not open), I would volunteer to have children come to my home to learn creative skills.
Notice how young people are turning to "tiny homes" in order to afford a "roof over their heads" that they can own. Many are looking towards sustainability (growing their own food), and homeschooling kids - yes, in their tiny homes, on rented properties. Things are changing rapidly ...
Anyway, things are as they are, and if we are willing to make a difference, I am sure that God will guide and support us in our endeavours
This is indeed a great topic, thanks TitusTwoWife

I plan to homeschool my little ones. If you have any advice, I'd love to know.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I am blessed in my marriage. My husband washes me with the water of the Word. How? I come to him with my needs and weaknesses and he embues me with emotional strength and masculine advice. We discuss Scripture and apply it together.

 

[Yesua888]

I plan to homeschool my little ones. If you have any advice, I'd love to know.

Hi TitusTW,
I am not officially (of this world) "qualified" to teach children. Later in life I took a few childcare courses here in AU, and gave that up because of the system ... I was a glorified cleaner and not even a nanny; however, I observed things in the system that disturbed me - enough said.
My own childhood experience taught me as a maturer person looking back on life, that it is vitally important for children to know the truth about everything. This may require some "expertise" (if you rely solely on the World) or "Simply" a Godly approach, step by step.
The thing that sticks out most is:
1. from a very young age teachers recognised my artistic talents, and although they were not equipped to develop this with me, I remember how I enjoyed creating ... it came easily, as if flowing from God; and yes, in restrospect, it WAS flowing from God : )
2. neighbours took us to Sunday School ... if my sister and I had not been exposed to this teaching and seeing how the "other side" lived, we would not be where we are today, in terms of our Faiths.
Creativity is so important to all of us, and comes out in many different ways. It develops the mind, the imagination, and when directed in healthy, loving and accepting ways, the child flourishes and gains confidence in this sphere.
3. I am not sure what to say, other than the above 2, and am confident that walking step by step with God, during the homeschooling, you will achieve what He wants for your children.
Apart from always being truthful with your children, always apologise when you are wrong, and take the time to explain what went wrong ... there is a Balance, and you will learn this.
Allow your children space to explore and to "burn their fingers" ... always being there for them, as God is for us. Children must learn to play, safely and in a healthy and loving way ... so important to a child's development.
As a child, growing up in a difficult home environment, I learned many bad things and behaviours, but my Faith in Jesus has brought me through.
I so often visualise me working with children (not here though), and reading, singing, teaching and playing with children. It may come to pass ... all coming naturally and easily, throught the Grace of God.
All the very best , TTW ... you are certainly setting up the foundation for a good, healthy marriage and best "playground" for your children.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

 

[TitusTwoWife]

 

[Yesua888]

Things certainly have changed in so many ways ... even new friendships are hard to keep, they seem superficia and transientl. It is so sad to see how we (humanity) have lost our way, the way God intended us to be in this World. It is so sad to see how far away from God's Law we have drifted ...

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[TitusTwoWife]

I try not to debate or correct men on salvation doctrine anymore. I am going for a meek and quiet spirit. It is on the men to contend and defend the gospel. No female pastors.

Women can teach younger women good things and Titus 2 things like how to be good wives and mothers.

 

[David]

I try not to debate or correct men on salvation doctrine anymore. I am going for a meek and quiet spirit. It is on the men to contend and defend the gospel. No female pastors.

Women can teach younger women good things and Titus 2 things like how to be good wives and mothers.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that we women should desire to walk in a meek and quiet spirit… that is good.

I just caution with saying it is the man’s job to contend and defend the gospel. Believers of both genders are to contend for the faith. ~ Jude 1: 3 tells us to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Saints includes women.

Now you are not going to be a pastor just because you stand up for the gospel. You are not a man, you do not have authority over men. GOD made it clear where that line of authority lies. But you DO need to stand up for biblical truth when someone is twisting the gospel.

A meek and quiet spirit does not equal a muted faith. It equals you allowing yourself to be controlled by the ONLY One worthy of our spirit. There is a big difference between sitting quietly because you are humble and sitting silent while the gospel is altered.

When your kids grow up and look back, they will remember how you reacted when you thought doctrine was being mishandled. Your friends are watching. Your family is watching. When you stand on Scripture gently, kindly, they will see that the word of God is not just something you quote on Sundays. They will see you are SOLD on it.

Look what Paul said about Timothy’s faith. It dwelt first in his grandmother Lois and his mother Eunice. ~2 Timothy 1: 5 “the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice.” Then right after that in ~2 Timothy 3:15 it says, “from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”

A godly woman can influence her WHOLE household with the faith that she has in Christ!

Be meek. Be kind. Don’t go looking for arguments. Don’t try to step into roles the Lord hasn’t given you. But don’t let humility keep you from sharing the truth. Sometimes a gentle and well-studied answer is just what God needs to use to show your children, your family, and your friends that His Word is worth standing for.

Here are some Christian women who seem to be teaching correctly.

Michelle Lesley is probably one of the clearest examples. She writes mainly to women and has a large amount of discernment material warning about false teachers and unbiblical trends. Her own page says her articles are meant as “teaching tools” to help people understand “the sin and false doctrine being promoted,” and she emphasizes correcting with a spirit shaped by ~2 Timothy 2:24-26.

Amy Spreeman is another strong example. She founded Berean Research, which describes biblical discernment as coming from reading and meditating on the Word of God, and it cites ~2 Timothy 3:16-17 as the foundation. A Servants of Grace profile says she founded Berean Research as a counter-cult discernment ministry to equip Christians with biblical truth against false teaching.

Elizabeth Prata is another English-speaking woman who writes on discernment. Her site says one of her goals is “to help women discern” and provide trustworthy ministry links because of the amount of false teaching out there. She also writes directly on false teachers and false doctrine, including articles warning against defending false teachers.

 

[bobinfaith]

I try not to debate or correct men on salvation doctrine anymore. I am going for a meek and quiet spirit. It is on the men to contend and defend the gospel. No female pastors.

Women can teach younger women good things and Titus 2 things like how to be good wives and mothers.

Hello TitusTwoWife;

Thank you for sharing Against Feminism. I don't entertain feminism or machismo. Both don't align with Scripture. If these misguided cultures gave an ounce of Biblical study they would educate themselves in God's assigned roles of a man and a woman.

This may sting for some but the role of women pastors is not Biblical in the Christian Church. God had specific roles for the women of God - Deborah the first woman to lead Israel in Judges 4. Naomi who brought Ruth to faith in God in Ruth, Mary anointed by God to conceive Jesus in the Gospels, Mary Magdalene who was the first human to witness Christ resurrected, Phoebe the first woman deaconess to serve at the Church of Cenchrea in Romans 16. There is more but none that was called by God to shepherd the Church.

Many examples of a woman's role in Scripture and application is sharing the Word of God when prompted by the Holy Spirit. Your husband, children, community and especially those who don't know the Lord are prime examples.

From the time you have fellowshipped at Biblical Truth Forum you have imparted wisdom, discernment and encouragement while maintaining a meek and quiet spirit.

Keep writing, TitusTwoWife.

God bless you.

Bob

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I agree with you wholeheartedly that we women should desire to walk in a meek and quiet spirit… that is good.

I just caution with saying it is the man’s job to contend and defend the gospel. Believers of both genders are to contend for the faith. ~ Jude 1: 3 tells us to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Saints includes women.

Now you are not going to be a pastor just because you stand up for the gospel. You are not a man, you do not have authority over men. GOD made it clear where that line of authority lies. But you DO need to stand up for biblical truth when someone is twisting the gospel.

A meek and quiet spirit does not equal a muted faith. It equals you allowing yourself to be controlled by the ONLY One worthy of our spirit. There is a big difference between sitting quietly because you are humble and sitting silent while the gospel is altered.

When your kids grow up and look back, they will remember how you reacted when you thought doctrine was being mishandled. Your friends are watching. Your family is watching. When you stand on Scripture gently, kindly, they will see that the word of God is not just something you quote on Sundays. They will see you are SOLD on it.

Look what Paul said about Timothy’s faith. It dwelt first in his grandmother Lois and his mother Eunice. ~2 Timothy 1: 5 “the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice.” Then right after that in ~2 Timothy 3:15 it says, “from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”

A godly woman can influence her WHOLE household with the faith that she has in Christ!

Be meek. Be kind. Don’t go looking for arguments. Don’t try to step into roles the Lord hasn’t given you. But don’t let humility keep you from sharing the truth. Sometimes a gentle and well-studied answer is just what God needs to use to show your children, your family, and your friends that His Word is worth standing for.

Here are some Christian women who seem to be teaching correctly.

Michelle Lesley is probably one of the clearest examples. She writes mainly to women and has a large amount of discernment material warning about false teachers and unbiblical trends. Her own page says her articles are meant as “teaching tools” to help people understand “the sin and false doctrine being promoted,” and she emphasizes correcting with a spirit shaped by ~2 Timothy 2:24-26.

Amy Spreeman is another strong example. She founded Berean Research, which describes biblical discernment as coming from reading and meditating on the Word of God, and it cites ~2 Timothy 3:16-17 as the foundation. A Servants of Grace profile says she founded Berean Research as a counter-cult discernment ministry to equip Christians with biblical truth against false teaching.

Elizabeth Prata is another English-speaking woman who writes on discernment. Her site says one of her goals is “to help women discern” and provide trustworthy ministry links because of the amount of false teaching out there. She also writes directly on false teachers and false doctrine, including articles warning against defending false teachers.

I agree that women are to speak truth and point to the gospel, especially within their families. I don't think that's my issue. But debates about, say OSAS online where there is much contention is a grey area for me. There are usually men willing to call it out so do I really need to come out of softness and femininity just to add my thoughts?

My answer so far is no. When I stepped down, I found plenty of men that stepped up in that regard.

I have no problem cheerleading truth and saying OSAS is false. But correcting men on salvation doctrine, I don't think is meek and quiet. It takes a strong will and strong words to combat false teaching. I have no problem stating truth. OSAS is a terrible false doctrine. But I leave it at that.

I used to argue my point and dig into Scripture but it really wore me down. I don’t think it suits me.

I don't think I'd withhold an explanation on why I don't agree with OSAS to anyone who was really hungry for truth. But being argumentative and correcting men is not feminine.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I think the Titus 2 topics of marriage, motherhood and home keeping are vastly undertaught. I have never been to a single women's conference or women's meeting that taught on these things. The married women need to know how to be good wives and mothers. This is becoming a lost art.

 

[David]

I agree that women are to speak truth and point to the gospel, especially within their families. I don't think that's my issue. But debates about, say OSAS online where there is much contention is a grey area for me. There are usually men willing to call it out so do I really need to come out of softness and femininity just to add my thoughts?

My answer so far is no. When I stepped down, I found plenty of men that stepped up in that regard.

I have no problem cheerleading truth and saying OSAS is false. But correcting men on salvation doctrine, I don't think is meek and quiet. It takes a strong will and strong words to combat false teaching. I have no problem stating truth. OSAS is a terrible false doctrine. But I leave it at that.

I used to argue my point and dig into Scripture but it really wore me down. I don’t think it suits me.

I don't think I'd withhold an explanation on why I don't agree with OSAS to anyone who was really hungry for truth. But being argumentative and correcting men is not feminine.

I understand what you are saying, and I think there is wisdom in knowing when a discussion is wearing you down and when to step away. Not every believer is called to enter online debates, and Scripture does not require us to chase every argument.

There is a difference between being argumentative and giving a faithful answer. ~2 Timothy 2:24-25 says, “And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves.” That principle matters. Truth can be spoken with firmness without becoming quarrelsome.

So I agree with you that there is no need to jump into every OSAS fight online. If it becomes fleshly, exhausting, prideful, or endless, stepping away may be the wisest thing to do. ~Proverbs 26:4 says, “Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.” Some debates are not about truth anymore. They are just people swinging words at each other.

At the same time, if someone is genuinely asking, or if the gospel is being confused in front of people who may be misled, giving a simple Scripture-based answer is not unfeminine. It can be godly, humble, and helpful. Priscilla, along with Aquila, helped explain “the way of God more perfectly” to Apollos in ~Acts 18:26. That was not rebellion. That was faithful correction done properly.

I try not to get pulled into debates unless the issue affects the gospel, salvation, or would lead people away from Jesus Christ and the truth of Scripture.

There are plenty of topics Christians can discuss, disagree on, and still walk away without the gospel being damaged. I do not feel the need to answer every argument or chase every controversy.

But when a teaching distorts salvation, excuses sin, twists Scripture, gives false assurance, or points people away from Christ, that is different. That is when silence can become dangerous.

~Jude 1:3 says we are to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” That does not mean we fight about everything. It means we guard the truth God has given us.

So we should not try to win debates. Our goal is to stand where Scripture is clear, especially when the gospel is at stake.

So I would say this: do not feel pressured to debate men online just because the topic is serious. But also do not feel that speaking biblical truth with grace makes you less feminine. A godly woman can be soft in spirit and still strong in truth.

There is a clean middle ground. State the truth clearly. Give Scripture. Refuse endless striving. Walk away when the discussion turns into flesh. That is not cowardice. That is obedience.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I understand what you are saying, and I think there is wisdom in knowing when a discussion is wearing you down and when to step away. Not every believer is called to enter online debates, and Scripture does not require us to chase every argument.

There is a difference between being argumentative and giving a faithful answer. ~2 Timothy 2:24-25 says, “And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves.” That principle matters. Truth can be spoken with firmness without becoming quarrelsome.

So I agree with you that there is no need to jump into every OSAS fight online. If it becomes fleshly, exhausting, prideful, or endless, stepping away may be the wisest thing to do. ~Proverbs 26:4 says, “Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.” Some debates are not about truth anymore. They are just people swinging words at each other.

At the same time, if someone is genuinely asking, or if the gospel is being confused in front of people who may be misled, giving a simple Scripture-based answer is not unfeminine. It can be godly, humble, and helpful. Priscilla, along with Aquila, helped explain “the way of God more perfectly” to Apollos in ~Acts 18:26. That was not rebellion. That was faithful correction done properly.

I try not to get pulled into debates unless the issue affects the gospel, salvation, or would lead people away from Jesus Christ and the truth of Scripture.

There are plenty of topics Christians can discuss, disagree on, and still walk away without the gospel being damaged. I do not feel the need to answer every argument or chase every controversy.

But when a teaching distorts salvation, excuses sin, twists Scripture, gives false assurance, or points people away from Christ, that is different. That is when silence can become dangerous.

~Jude 1:3 says we are to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” That does not mean we fight about everything. It means we guard the truth God has given us.

So we should not try to win debates. Our goal is to stand where Scripture is clear, especially when the gospel is at stake.

So I would say this: do not feel pressured to debate men online just because the topic is serious. But also do not feel that speaking biblical truth with grace makes you less feminine. A godly woman can be soft in spirit and still strong in truth.

There is a clean middle ground. State the truth clearly. Give Scripture. Refuse endless striving. Walk away when the discussion turns into flesh. That is not cowardice. That is obedience.

Here are the verses Im being mindful of.

1 Timothy 2:11-14
King James Version
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Online forums are definitely a grey area for me. I tread more carefully these days.

 

[Yesua888]

I agree with you wholeheartedly that we women should desire to walk in a meek and quiet spirit… that is good.

I just caution with saying it is the man’s job to contend and defend the gospel. Believers of both genders are to contend for the faith. ~ Jude 1: 3 tells us to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Saints includes women.

Now you are not going to be a pastor just because you stand up for the gospel. You are not a man, you do not have authority over men. GOD made it clear where that line of authority lies. But you DO need to stand up for biblical truth when someone is twisting the gospel.

A meek and quiet spirit does not equal a muted faith. It equals you allowing yourself to be controlled by the ONLY One worthy of our spirit. There is a big difference between sitting quietly because you are humble and sitting silent while the gospel is altered.

When your kids grow up and look back, they will remember how you reacted when you thought doctrine was being mishandled. Your friends are watching. Your family is watching. When you stand on Scripture gently, kindly, they will see that the word of God is not just something you quote on Sundays. They will see you are SOLD on it.

Look what Paul said about Timothy’s faith. It dwelt first in his grandmother Lois and his mother Eunice. ~2 Timothy 1: 5 “the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice.” Then right after that in ~2 Timothy 3:15 it says, “from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”

A godly woman can influence her WHOLE household with the faith that she has in Christ!

Be meek. Be kind. Don’t go looking for arguments. Don’t try to step into roles the Lord hasn’t given you. But don’t let humility keep you from sharing the truth. Sometimes a gentle and well-studied answer is just what God needs to use to show your children, your family, and your friends that His Word is worth standing for.

Here are some Christian women who seem to be teaching correctly.

Michelle Lesley is probably one of the clearest examples. She writes mainly to women and has a large amount of discernment material warning about false teachers and unbiblical trends. Her own page says her articles are meant as “teaching tools” to help people understand “the sin and false doctrine being promoted,” and she emphasizes correcting with a spirit shaped by ~2 Timothy 2:24-26.

Amy Spreeman is another strong example. She founded Berean Research, which describes biblical discernment as coming from reading and meditating on the Word of God, and it cites ~2 Timothy 3:16-17 as the foundation. A Servants of Grace profile says she founded Berean Research as a counter-cult discernment ministry to equip Christians with biblical truth against false teaching.

Elizabeth Prata is another English-speaking woman who writes on discernment. Her site says one of her goals is “to help women discern” and provide trustworthy ministry links because of the amount of false teaching out there. She also writes directly on false teachers and false doctrine, including articles warning against defending false teachers.

Great recommendations, thanks David ... some Links:

Michelle Lesley: "Discernment, False Teachers, Unbiblical Trends": Michelle Lesley
Amy Spreeman: "Berean Research": Berean Research – "Guard Yourselves in Steadfast Truth!"
Elizabeth Prata: "Discernment": (no title)

There are some really interesting writings from these women

I'm going to post one of Amy Spreeman's articles

 

[TitusTwoWife]

This was part of an email I got from How To Be a Submissive Wife on substack.

"A stronger foundation is built when a wife shifts her focus away from what she can extract from marriage and toward what she can faithfully bring into it. That shift changes everything. It softens her spirit. It steadies her emotions. It teaches her to stop keeping score. It frees her from the exhausting habit of watching her husband to see whether he is measuring up, and instead leads her into the much more fruitful question: how can I support him well, serve him faithfully, and help build a home where he feels respected, strengthened, and at peace?

This is not weakness. It is not passivity. It is not the erasure of womanhood. It is the beginning of maturity."