Do Jesus and God Want us To Make Clean Water A Human Right ?

[Galahad]

Hiya I am on a mission to make Clean Water A Human Right
I am not saying I am going to succeed but it's worth a try.
Here are some things about Jesus and God related to water.

Jesus turns water into wine.

Jesus walks on Water.

When Jesus's side is pierced with the spear on the cross water comes out.

When Jesus is thirsty instead of clean water he is given a sponge soaked in vinegar. The cruelty of man

You are Baptised with water as was Jesus.

Jesus describes himself as the living water.

God provides Abrahams son with a well when he is thirsty in the desert.



It is recorded in Exodus 17:1-7 and Numbers 20:1-13, where God instructs Moses to strike the rock at Horeb, resulting in water flowing out for the people to drink



Make Clean Water A Human Right.

 

[Galahad]

Both WaterAid and UNICEF are Great Charities

UNICEF does loads of good work. Not only helping children in Africa and poorer countries but in disasters and war zones. UNICEF is helping in Sudan and Gaza.

Jesus Tells the story of the Good Samaritan to remind us of the importance of helping others.

Here is a list of charities that provide Wells

Sadaqah Jariyah: Provides clean water to families who lack safe drinking water. Donations support the construction and delivery of water well projects.

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Time to Help (UK): Funds life-changing water wells, providing health, hope, and a brighter future.

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One Nation: Assists the 2 billion people worldwide who lack access to clean water.

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Thirst Relief - Penny Appeal: Provides sustainable water solutions to vulnerable communities.

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These charities offer various ways to contribute to water well projects, ensuring that clean water reaches those in need.

A Well doesn't just provide clean water to drink. Clean water is essential for hygiene ( Girls and women on their periods )and stops children having to walk miles to the nearest water source and forgo an education.

Save The Children is also a great charity x

 

[bobinfaith]

Hello Galahad;

Thank you for joining Biblical Truth Forum. Your efforts, "trying" to make Clean Water a Human Right is already a success! Press on!

Are you familiar with Huntingdon and Hartford, north of London, UK? My family lived there when I was a boy.

We'll keep you and your mission in our prayers. When you have time, please share more.

God bless you, Galahad, and your entire family.

Bob and Hazel

 

[David]

Galahad, Welcome to the forum we are glad to have you. I appreciate the heart behind this. Clean water is something a lot of us take for granted, but for many people it is a daily struggle. I do think helping people with something as basic as clean water is a good and merciful thing.

I would just be a little careful with some of the Bible references to water, because they do not all mean the same thing. Some are clearly about physical water, but when Jesus talks about “living water” in John 4, He is talking about something much greater than water from a well. He said, “Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst” John 4:13-14.

That does not take away from your point that clean water matters. It does. I just think it is important to keep the difference clear. Physical water helps the body, and that is a real need. But only Christ gives living water to the soul.

 

[Galahad]

Hello Galahad;

Thank you for joining Biblical Truth Forum. Your efforts, "trying" to make Clean Water a Human Right is already a success! Press on!

Are you familiar with Huntingdon and Hartford, north of London, UK? My family lived there when I was a boy.

We'll keep you and your mission in our prayers. When you have time, please share more.

God bless you, Galahad, and your entire family.

Bob and Hazel

Hiya Bob and Hazel
Thank you for you lovely response x
I have heard of Huntingdon. I live in Wellingborough Northamptonshire and Cambridgeshire is a adjoining county so Huntingdon isn't far from me Were you born in England Bob ? when did you move to the states ?
To share a little more this journey started about twenty years ago. My sister in law had told me about something bad happening to someone. I have Schizophrenia and bi-polar and had sort of gone into a trance and was looking at my bank card. I noticed something in my name CHRISTOPHER MICHAEL THORPE a message ( C HIS HOPE HEAL HOPE ). I thought that's a nice message. The only letters that move are H & E, HE. I then realised this THORpe born HAMMERsmith. I thought that's weird because I sort of have Thor's Hammer. What I found strange is as a child in care I had been given one book. Norse God's and Heroes. I had a Bible that had belonged to a elder child and a member of staff had just come in and handed me the book Norse God's and Heroes. Now I am in a bit of a trance and thinking this is a bit strange. I then realise the Paedophile that abused me in Care surname was Hellyegar. If you add a A you have HELL Y or WHY EAGER. I don't believe in hell I think people just get prison sentences for crimes committed on Earth but I am thinking something strange is going on here. For some reason I then have an idea. I decide to add the words in the message up. I add up Hope and it equals 44. A1, B2, C3 etc. I think that's a uniform number what goes with Hope ? Ahh Faith. So I add up faith and that equals 44. I think oh if you think about it you need Hope and Faith in equal measures. Hope in man and Faith in God and when added they equal the same amount. I was starting to formulate a Idea. I was thinking if I could prove their was a pattern beyond chance maybe I could prove God exists and make Clean Water A Human Right. Now my first and only thought was can I make clean water a human right and another thing I was at my childrens's house on Shearwater Lane. Shearwater ( HEARS WATER ) and living in Wellingborough ( WELL). And that's what is about tapping Africa's underground water source and providing wells. I tried for twenty years coming online to try to make clean water a human right but I was always badly bi-polar manic and kept getting banned. The rest of the time people were making my schizophrenia so bad I was to ill to come online. About eight months ago I came online to defend the word Empathy and thought I may as well try and didn't get banned so have been trying for the last eight months or so. I am not going to make threads about words or numbers I get banned from Christian sites for doing this I am just going to make this one thread about Water
I am not very religious big fan of God and believe Jesus is the Son of God but Christian sites quote a lot of scripture at me and to be honest I don't read it. I am simply focused on raising awareness about the plight the plight of babies and children in Africa and homeless children drinking out of dirty puddles in India and not really interested in getting into religious debates.
I have had lots of run ins with moderators but have met some lovely people online that are helping to restore my faith in humanity.
I just want to point out a couple of things that are interesting
ISRAEL is anagram of IS REAL. I find this interesting because the language is Hebrew and modern English didn't exist at the time but it's an anagram of IS REAL.
also this

Would Jesus if he returned melt down all the Gold in the Christian Church and give it to charity ?
To pay for operations for cleft pallets, sight saving operations etc
Is this why Jesus was a carpenter, Would the Christian church have wooden replacements ?
Wood or would.
This is a bit interesting if you add E to carpenter you have an anagram of CARE REPENT

If Jesus had any other occupation that wouldn't have worked. I find it interesting

Anyway I won't be making any threads to do with words, numbers, or reincarnation which I believe in and will stick to making this one thread about Clean water in the hope of not getting a ban.

Thank you Bob and Hazel for blessing me and my family I think that's really kind and blessings to you and your family back x

Bob the truth is even if I never succeed if I have managed to save one life that's a life well spent x

 

[Galahad]

We don't have to talk about anything I said. I was just giving you some background. Sometimes it's just nice to talk and find out if you were born in England and when you moved to the states etc x Oh sorry congratulations on celebrating your 250 years of independence

 

[Yesua888]

We don't have to talk about anything I said. I was just giving you some background. Sometimes it's just nice to talk and find out if you were born in England and when you moved to the states etc x Oh sorry congratulations on celebrating your 250 years of independence

Hi Galahad,

I am truly sorry for your "unsavoury" childhood experiences, and the "conditions" that you now suffer.

It is really good to have such a strong passion for helping those in need of clean water.
We all need a purpose, to at least focus on something else, other than self : )

I do hope you are here for more than "water for physically quenching thirst" ...

You may wish start with reading what Biblical Truth Forum is all about.

Many of us have had some serious questions (and still do) about Scripture ... this is the place to get Truth according God's Word.

What I have learned, is that bible verses should never be read in isolation.
Understanding a verse, needs more than reading that one verse, in order to reach a clear understanding of His Word.

Here's hoping that you will learn from BTF as much as I have; the learning never ends : )

1 Peter 5:10 (KJV)​

But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you .

This verse serves as a concluding benediction promising that temporary suffering leads to divine restoration and eternal glory through Christ Jesus. The verse outlines a specific fourfold action God takes for believers after they endure trials: perfect (restore to completeness/maturity), stablish (secure on a firm foundation), strengthen (provide resilience), and settle (ground in stability).

Hebrews 12:2 (KJV)​

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

The verse asserts that Jesus was released from the "pains" (or cords/bands) of death because it was impossible for death to hold Him.

Substitutionary Bearing of Sin: 1 Peter 2:24 states that Jesus "bore our sins in his body on the tree," and Isaiah 53:5 prophesies He was "wounded for our transgressions" and "crushed for our iniquities." This implies He endured the penalty and wrath due to others.

• Voluntary vs. Involuntary: Jesus chose his suffering as part of a divine plan to atone for sin, whereas humans often endure suffering involuntarily with no control over their circumstances or certainty of a positive outcome.
• Scope and Intensity: Theologically, Jesus’s suffering included the spiritual horror of being forsaken by God and facing the totality of human evil, which is described as exceeding any horror conceivable to mortals.

Christian theology emphasizes that Jesus remains a sympathetic High Priest who understands human weakness because he was tempted in every way, yet without sin.

Scripture teaches that God does not cause suffering (James 1:13; Job 34:12) but is deeply compassionate toward it (Isaiah 63:9) and promises to ultimately end all pain (Revelation 21:4)

Take care

 

[Galahad]

Hi Galahad,

I am truly sorry for your "unsavoury" childhood experiences, and the "conditions" that you now suffer.

It is really good to have such a strong passion for helping those in need of clean water.
We all need a purpose, to at least focus on something else, other than self : )

I do hope you are here for more than "water for physically quenching thirst" ...

You may wish start with reading what Biblical Truth Forum is all about.

Many of us have had some serious questions (and still do) about Scripture ... this is the place to get Truth according God's Word.

What I have learned, is that bible verses should never be read in isolation.
Understanding a verse, needs more than reading that one verse, in order to reach a clear understanding of His Word.

Here's hoping that you will learn from BTF as much as I have; the learning never ends : )

1 Peter 5:10 (KJV)​

But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you .

This verse serves as a concluding benediction promising that temporary suffering leads to divine restoration and eternal glory through Christ Jesus. The verse outlines a specific fourfold action God takes for believers after they endure trials: perfect (restore to completeness/maturity), stablish (secure on a firm foundation), strengthen (provide resilience), and settle (ground in stability).

Hebrews 12:2 (KJV)​

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

The verse asserts that Jesus was released from the "pains" (or cords/bands) of death because it was impossible for death to hold Him.

Substitutionary Bearing of Sin: 1 Peter 2:24 states that Jesus "bore our sins in his body on the tree," and Isaiah 53:5 prophesies He was "wounded for our transgressions" and "crushed for our iniquities." This implies He endured the penalty and wrath due to others.

• Voluntary vs. Involuntary: Jesus chose his suffering as part of a divine plan to atone for sin, whereas humans often endure suffering involuntarily with no control over their circumstances or certainty of a positive outcome.
• Scope and Intensity: Theologically, Jesus’s suffering included the spiritual horror of being forsaken by God and facing the totality of human evil, which is described as exceeding any horror conceivable to mortals.

Christian theology emphasizes that Jesus remains a sympathetic High Priest who understands human weakness because he was tempted in every way, yet without sin.

Scripture teaches that God does not cause suffering (James 1:13; Job 34:12) but is deeply compassionate toward it (Isaiah 63:9) and promises to ultimately end all pain (Revelation 21:4)

Take care

Hiya Yesua888
I like this piece of scripture you quoted
Scripture teaches that God does not cause suffering (James 1:13; Job 34:12) but is deeply compassionate toward it (Isaiah 63:9) and promises to ultimately end all pain (Revelation 21:4)

My life has much improved since the age of fifty God has given me a really quite four years and my schizophrenia is much improved It has improved so much I have come off my medication for schizophrenia and hoping to live medication free. I don't blame God for anything I have suffered.
I am not going to read what this forum is about. I know this is a forum that takes scripture very seriously. I am a big fan of God and believe Jesus is the son of God but I am actually not very religious to be honest. I am just hoping to be allowed to make this one thread to raise awareness and be on my way. I just go round sites normally making one thread and then I am on my way.
I have had a crazy life things like when I was two my mum left with me with a broken leg for nine hours without taking me to the hospital and I caught pneumonia and nearly died. This is actually pre memory thank goodness My dad tried to kill me on a roller coaster. I know that sounds crazy like how could he do that ? But if asked I could actually explain. I don't tell you this to garner sympathy it's more a thing of interest. I am not in my head troubled and looking back I live in the moment and look forwards not backwards. I get a bit scared sometimes doing this but I am ok and like I say God has given me a peaceful four years I know this is going to sound crazy but St Christopher the Legend ( LEG END ). My legs have taken a bit of a battering and I have got into my head I am ST Christopher. I know that must sound bonkers. I am very like St Christopher in that my interest is in helping people and I am not big into praying etc. Like I say I am not very religious. The few occasions I do pray I just say the Lords prayer, Tell God I love him and ask him to keep my family safe. I even ask him to keep me safe sometimes now. But it is very occasional I pray.
I am not going to be posting on other threads and will just be making this one thread hoping to raise awareness about clean water but I don't mind chatting I am just not big on scripture. I haven't actually read the new testament but I know the story of Jesus. As a child I read a bit of the Old testament and later as an adult.
I am glad you are learning lots of new things from this site
Hope you are having a good day x

 

[bobinfaith]

Hiya Bob and Hazel Thank you for you lovely response x I have heard of Huntingdon. I live in Wellingborough Northamptonshire and Cambridgeshire is a adjoining county so Huntingdon isn't far from me Were you born in England Bob ? when did you move to the states ?
Thank you Bob and Hazel for blessing me and my family I think that's really kind and blessings to you and your family back x Bob the truth is even if I never succeed if I have managed to save one life that's a life well spent x

Good morning, Galahad;

Thank you for sharing more about you. No, I wasn't born in England. My Dad served in the US Air Force and in 1964 was stationed at Alconbury AFB, Huntingdon. Today it's called Royal Air Force Alconbury. I was 7 years old when we lived there and have fond memories.

I was born in Texas and today my wife and I are retired in the San Francisco Bay Area but I still serve in ministry.

Your interest in clean water is precious. Do Jesus and God Want us To Make Clean Water A Human Right ?

Yes. I believe God blessed us with water in Genesis 1 of the Bible. It was intended to be clean to drink but through the centuries man polluted it. Today we have global water quality programs to help improve the quality of drinking water around the world. Unfortunately, lack of funding and poor government support is ongoing in the efforts to succeed.

Let's keep praying but at the same time thank our God for water.

God bless you, Galahad.

Bob

 

[David]

I think there is a good concern here, but we need to keep the discussion anchored in Scripture and not let the subject drift into word patterns, hidden meanings, legends, or personal impressions.

Clean water is a real mercy issue. There is nothing wrong with wanting hungry, thirsty, poor, and suffering people to be helped. Jesus said, “I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink” Matthew 25:35. Proverbs 19:17 says, “He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.” First John 3:17 also says, “But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?”

That is enough Bible ground to say Christians should care about people who lack basic needs, including clean water. We do not need to force every Bible passage about water into that point. Jesus walking on water, turning water into wine, baptism, and the water from His side do not all teach the same thing. They have their own context and meaning.

The biggest thing we must not miss is this: physical water can help the body, but it cannot save the soul. Jesus said in John 4:13-14, “Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst.” He was pointing beyond the well to Himself. Clean water matters, but Christ is the living water.

Also, since this is a Bible forum, we need to be plain about this. Reincarnation is not biblical. Hebrews 9:27 says, “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.” Denying hell is not biblical either. Jesus said, “And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal” Matthew 25:46. We can be kind to people and still tell the truth.

Helping people get clean water is a good work of mercy. But the Bible does not call us to build truth on anagrams, numbers, names, legends, or feelings. God has spoken in His Word. If we want this discussion to stay biblical, then Scripture has to govern the whole thing.

 

[Galahad]

I think there is a good concern here, but we need to keep the discussion anchored in Scripture and not let the subject drift into word patterns, hidden meanings, legends, or personal impressions.

Clean water is a real mercy issue. There is nothing wrong with wanting hungry, thirsty, poor, and suffering people to be helped. Jesus said, “I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink” Matthew 25:35. Proverbs 19:17 says, “He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.” First John 3:17 also says, “But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?”

That is enough Bible ground to say Christians should care about people who lack basic needs, including clean water. We do not need to force every Bible passage about water into that point. Jesus walking on water, turning water into wine, baptism, and the water from His side do not all teach the same thing. They have their own context and meaning.

The biggest thing we must not miss is this: physical water can help the body, but it cannot save the soul. Jesus said in John 4:13-14, “Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst.” He was pointing beyond the well to Himself. Clean water matters, but Christ is the living water.

Also, since this is a Bible forum, we need to be plain about this. Reincarnation is not biblical. Hebrews 9:27 says, “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.” Denying hell is not biblical either. Jesus said, “And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal” Matthew 25:46. We can be kind to people and still tell the truth.

Helping people get clean water is a good work of mercy. But the Bible does not call us to build truth on anagrams, numbers, names, legends, or feelings. God has spoken in His Word. If we want this discussion to stay biblical, then Scripture has to govern the whole thing.

I said I was just replying to a question. I am not interested in doing any of that stuff here. Just bringing attention to clean water. I am not very religious I just go round sites. I have just about finished. Gematria isn't something I am interested in discussing.

 

[David]

I said I was just replying to a question. I am not interested in doing any of that stuff here. Just bringing attention to clean water. I am not very religious I just go round sites. I have just about finished. Gematria isn't something I am interested in discussing.

Fair enough. I understand you were just bringing attention to clean water, and I do agree that clean water is a real mercy issue. People need water, food, and help when they are suffering. There is nothing wrong with caring about that.

My point was not to accuse you of wanting to debate gematria or anything like that. I was just trying to keep the thread from drifting into things the Bible does not teach. On a Bible forum, that matters.

Even if you are not very religious, the Scripture still gives a solid reason to care about people in need. “Whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?” 1 John 3:17.

Clean water is a good thing to care about. I would just say that the greatest need is still Christ, because the body needs water, but the soul needs the living water Jesus spoke of in John 4:14.

 

[Galahad]

Fair enough. I understand you were just bringing attention to clean water, and I do agree that clean water is a real mercy issue. People need water, food, and help when they are suffering. There is nothing wrong with caring about that.

My point was not to accuse you of wanting to debate gematria or anything like that. I was just trying to keep the thread from drifting into things the Bible does not teach. On a Bible forum, that matters.

Even if you are not very religious, the Scripture still gives a solid reason to care about people in need. “Whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?” 1 John 3:17.

Clean water is a good thing to care about. I would just say that the greatest need is still Christ, because the body needs water, but the soul needs the living water Jesus spoke of in John 4:14.

Jesus is super cool he taught some great things and did die on the cross of us but I am a big God man. It's God who I talk to in my head and it's God who helped me repent but Jesus is super cool That was nice bit of scripture you quoted there

 

[Galahad]

 

[Galahad]

 

[David]

Jesus is super cool he taught some great things and did die on the cross of us but I am a big God man. It's God who I talk to in my head and it's God who helped me repent but Jesus is super cool That was nice bit of scripture you quoted there

I understand what you mean, and I am glad you are thinking about God, repentance, and what Jesus did on the cross.

The one thing I would be careful with is separating God from Jesus too much. Scripture does not present Jesus as just a great teacher or “super cool,” even though He certainly taught truth perfectly. The Bible says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” ~John 1:1. Then it says, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” ~John 1:14.

Jesus also said, “I and my Father are one” ~John 10:30. When Philip asked to see the Father, Jesus answered, “He that hath seen me hath seen the Father” ~John 14:9.

I do believe God brings people to repentance. That is a good thing. But the same God who brings us to repentance also points us to His Son. Jesus said plainly, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” ~John 14:6.

So I would just encourage you not to stop at seeing Jesus as a good teacher. Scripture calls Him Lord, Savior, and God manifest in the flesh. The living water He gives is not just a nice religious thought. It is eternal life in Him.

 

[Galahad]

I understand what you mean, and I am glad you are thinking about God, repentance, and what Jesus did on the cross.

The one thing I would be careful with is separating God from Jesus too much. Scripture does not present Jesus as just a great teacher or “super cool,” even though He certainly taught truth perfectly. The Bible says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” ~John 1:1. Then it says, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” ~John 1:14.

Jesus also said, “I and my Father are one” ~John 10:30. When Philip asked to see the Father, Jesus answered, “He that hath seen me hath seen the Father” ~John 14:9.

I do believe God brings people to repentance. That is a good thing. But the same God who brings us to repentance also points us to His Son. Jesus said plainly, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” ~John 14:6.

So I would just encourage you not to stop at seeing Jesus as a good teacher. Scripture calls Him Lord, Savior, and God manifest in the flesh. The living water He gives is not just a nice religious thought. It is eternal life in Him.

I do separate God from Jesus and always have. I believe they have many characteristics in common like both caring that we repent our sins and both caring greatly about the needy but I see them as two separate distinct characters. Jesus said I believe to the thief on the cross that God decides where people sit in Heaven( if I have got this wrong can you point to the passage where Jesus says this please ) I like to learn. I think here he is showing and saying that God is higher. And of course the Lords prayer. I believe Jesus wants you to repent but it's actually God you repent too. I think Jesus makes it clear that he can guide you into heaven but it's actually God that decides. That the way I see it sorry. Following Jesus is the path yes but it's God we repent too. I see Jesus as the guide but ultimately God as the power in the Universe.

 

[Galahad]

Jesus does say this

Our Lord JESUS said: John 12: 46-50
49 I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

 

[Galahad]

I hope you don't mind me saying this. I have beliefs that aren't common. personal beliefs. you see this part He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. It is my belief that in the unknown years of Jesus he visited Europe and translated Old English into modern English.

Bread & Wine ( The HOLY Communion )

Bread & Wine ( READ & WIN ) BE

I believe this is an instruction to read the Bible and win the game of life and an illustration to how God guided Jesus.

I hope you didn't mind me saying this I have unusual beliefs. Not the norm.

 

[Galahad]

This is a lovely song and I believe if we all learnt something from the intro the world would be a better place.

 

[David]

I do separate God from Jesus and always have. I believe they have many characteristics in common like both caring that we repent our sins and both caring greatly about the needy but I see them as two separate distinct characters. Jesus said I believe to the thief on the cross that God decides where people sit in Heaven( if I have got this wrong can you point to the passage where Jesus says this please ) I like to learn. I think here he is showing and saying that God is higher. And of course the Lords prayer. I believe Jesus wants you to repent but it's actually God you repent too. I think Jesus makes it clear that he can guide you into heaven but it's actually God that decides. That the way I see it sorry. Following Jesus is the path yes but it's God we repent too. I see Jesus as the guide but ultimately God as the power in the Universe.

I see what you are saying, and I understand why you see the Father and Jesus as distinct. The Bible does show the Father and the Son are not the same Person. I think the passage you are thinking of is not the thief on the cross though. The thief said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom” Luke 23:42. Jesus answered, “To day shalt thou be with me in paradise” Luke 23:43. Jesus did not say God would decide later. Jesus Himself promised the man that he would be with Him in paradise.

The passage about places in the kingdom is Matthew 20:23. Jesus said those places were prepared by His Father. That does show the Father and Son are distinct, but I do not think it means Jesus is only a guide or lower than God.

The reason I say that is because John 1:1 says, “the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Then John 1:14 says “the Word was made flesh.” Jesus is not just someone sent by God to point the way. He is God come in the flesh.

I agree that repentance is toward God. Acts 20:21 says “repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.” I do not think we can separate those two things. We repent toward God, and we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus also said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” John 14:6. Jesus is the way to the Father. But the Bible also says He is much more than a guide. Thomas said to Him, “My Lord and my God” John 20:28.

That is why I would be careful not to separate God and Jesus too much. The Father and the Son are distinct, but Jesus is not a lesser being. Scripture presents Him as Lord, Savior, and God manifest in the flesh.

 

[David]

Jesus does say this

Our Lord JESUS said: John 12: 46-50
49 I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Jesus does say that. I do agree with that verse. But I do not think John 12:49 means Jesus is only a guide or a lesser being than God. It means Jesus did not come speaking apart from the Father or against the Father. He came speaking exactly what the Father gave Him to speak.

The same passage also says more than that. Jesus said, “He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me” John 12:44. Then He said, “And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me” John 12:45. That is the part I do not think we can miss. Jesus is sent by the Father, yes. But He also says seeing Him is seeing the One who sent Him.

This is the same thing He says in John 14:9: “he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.” Then in John 14:10 He says, “the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me.”

I agree that the Father sent the Son and gave Him what to speak. But that does not make Jesus just a separate guide. The Bible says “the Word was God” John 1:1, and “the Word was made flesh” John 1:14.

That is why I believe the Father and the Son are distinct, but Jesus is not lower in nature than God. He speaks the Father’s words because He is perfectly one with the Father, not because He is just another teacher pointing toward God.

 

[David]

This is a lovely song and I believe if we all learnt something from the intro the world would be a better place.

It is a lovely song. I think it reaches people because it notices simple things we often pass by: trees, skies, babies crying, children growing, friends shaking hands. Those are ordinary things, but they are not small things. I know that as we age we know they are not small thing at all.

When reading the comments under the song it showed me that people are not just hearing music. They are remembering mothers, fathers, grandparents, wives, funerals, childhood, and people they miss. That is why I think the song can make people smile and hurt at the same time.

But I also know that the world is not wonderful in every way right now. But it felt good to listen to this song and remember the good God has given us. There is sin, death, sickness, cruelty, and loss. But there is still beauty here because God made the world, and even in a fallen creation we still see traces of His goodness. “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork” Psalm 19:1. That is where the song hits me. It reminds me to notice the good things God still gives, but it also reminds me this world is broken. Scripture says, “the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now” Romans 8:22.

I see the real wonderful world is not man fixing this one by himself. It is what God has promised through Jesus Christ, when “there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain” Revelation 21:4.

Here is another version of the song. I sent it to my Wife today wanting to bring some beauty in to it. Thanks for posting this.:

 

[David]

I hope you don't mind me saying this. I have beliefs that aren't common. personal beliefs. you see this part He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. It is my belief that in the unknown years of Jesus he visited Europe and translated Old English into modern English.

Bread & Wine ( The HOLY Communion )

Bread & Wine ( READ & WIN ) BE

I believe this is an instruction to read the Bible and win the game of life and an illustration to how God guided Jesus.

I hope you didn't mind me saying this I have unusual beliefs. Not the norm.

I don't mind you saying it. I can tell you are being honest about what you believe, and I respect that you are willing to talk about it openly. But I have to be honest too. I cannot find that in Scripture.

The Bible does not say Jesus went to Europe during His younger years. What Scripture does tell us is that after Jesus was found in the temple at twelve years old, He “went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them” Luke 2:51. Later, the people knew Him as “the carpenter, the son of Mary” Mark 6:3. That is what we are given. We should not add a whole story about Europe or English translation where Scripture does not say that.

The same is true with the bread and wine. Jesus already told us what they mean. He took the bread and said, “This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me” Luke 22:19. Then He took the cup and said, “This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you” Luke 22:20.

So I would be careful about turning “bread and wine” into “read and win.” I understand the thought behind it, but that is not the meaning Jesus gave it. The bread points to His body. The cup points to His blood. It is about His death for sinners and remembering what He did.

That is where I think we have to draw the line. If Scripture says it, we believe it. If Scripture does not say it, we should not build a belief on it. God has given us enough in His Word, and the safest place to stand is on what He actually said.

 

[Galahad]

It is a lovely song. I think it reaches people because it notices simple things we often pass by: trees, skies, babies crying, children growing, friends shaking hands. Those are ordinary things, but they are not small things. I know that as we age we know they are not small thing at all.

When reading the comments under the song it showed me that people are not just hearing music. They are remembering mothers, fathers, grandparents, wives, funerals, childhood, and people they miss. That is why I think the song can make people smile and hurt at the same time.

But I also know that the world is not wonderful in every way right now. But it felt good to listen to this song and remember the good God has given us. There is sin, death, sickness, cruelty, and loss. But there is still beauty here because God made the world, and even in a fallen creation we still see traces of His goodness. “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork” Psalm 19:1. That is where the song hits me. It reminds me to notice the good things God still gives, but it also reminds me this world is broken. Scripture says, “the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now” Romans 8:22.

I see the real wonderful world is not man fixing this one by himself. It is what God has promised through Jesus Christ, when “there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain” Revelation 21:4.

Here is another version of the song. I sent it to my Wife today wanting to bring some beauty in to it. Thanks for posting this.:

I think his song is beautiful and has a beautiful intro I understand what you are saying about the world being sick though. It's a very optimistic song but I don't think that today generation is learning more than us though I think sites like Facebook etc are leaving people with less critical thinking skills and generations have more technology but are loosing the ability to think If I was in charge of the Catholic church I would make Louis a Saint It makes me think of the city of St Louis/ Maybe God made him a saint in Heaven This is another lovely song

 

[Galahad]

This is a nice site This is a song for David, Bob and Yeshua888. It doesn't get many views so it's like we are are just chatting to each other Sorry I like spreading love This would nice to play to your wife David

 

[Galahad]

Because we don't get many views this is just a nice site to have a chat x

 

[Galahad]

I like this song

 

[Galahad]

I only have one picture of myself this is me as a child. I am the middle child.
Sorry I am just introducing myself

 

[Galahad]

 

[Yesua888]

I see what you are saying, and I understand why you see the Father and Jesus as distinct. The Bible does show the Father and the Son are not the same Person. I think the passage you are thinking of is not the thief on the cross though. The thief said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom” Luke 23:42. Jesus answered, “To day shalt thou be with me in paradise” Luke 23:43. Jesus did not say God would decide later. Jesus Himself promised the man that he would be with Him in paradise.

The passage about places in the kingdom is Matthew 20:23. Jesus said those places were prepared by His Father. That does show the Father and Son are distinct, but I do not think it means Jesus is only a guide or lower than God.

The reason I say that is because John 1:1 says, “the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Then John 1:14 says “the Word was made flesh.” Jesus is not just someone sent by God to point the way. He is God come in the flesh.

I agree that repentance is toward God. Acts 20:21 says “repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.” I do not think we can separate those two things. We repent toward God, and we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus also said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” John 14:6. Jesus is the way to the Father. But the Bible also says He is much more than a guide. Thomas said to Him, “My Lord and my God” John 20:28.

That is why I would be careful not to separate God and Jesus too much. The Father and the Son are distinct, but Jesus is not a lesser being. Scripture presents Him as Lord, Savior, and God manifest in the flesh.

I needed to find where it indicates that God is a trinity:

Genesis 1:26: "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness ...'"
Genesis 3:22: "Then the LORD God said, 'Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil...'
Genesis 11 "Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech"
However, it does not appear to be "proof" that God The Father is the Head of the Godhead?
Then there is this:

1 Corinthians 11:3: "But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."

This is where things can get a bit tricky:

God the Trinity (all three) or God The Father ...

 

[David]

I needed to find where it indicates that God is a trinity:

Genesis 1:26: "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness ...'"
Genesis 3:22: "Then the LORD God said, 'Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil...'
Genesis 11 "Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech"
However, it does not appear to be "proof" that God The Father is the Head of the Godhead?
Then there is this:

1 Corinthians 11:3: "But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."

This is where things can get a bit tricky:

God the Trinity (all three) or God The Father ...

I think the safest way to handle this is to let Scripture say what it says and not try to force more into one verse than that verse is saying.

The “Us” passages in Genesis do show something more than a bare singularity in God. Genesis 1:26 says, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” Genesis 3:22 says, “Behold, the man is become as one of us.” Genesis 11:7 says, “Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language.” I do believe those passages fit with the fuller revelation of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, but by themselves they are not the clearest place to prove the whole doctrine.

The clearer proof comes when the Bible shows the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost together, yet distinct. At Jesus’ baptism, the Son is baptized, the Spirit descends, and the Father speaks from heaven: “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” Matthew 3:17. That is not Jesus talking to Himself. The Father is distinct from the Son, and the Spirit is distinct from both.

But Scripture also says Jesus is truly God. John 1:1 says, “the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:14 says, “the Word was made flesh.” Thomas said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God” John 20:28. Colossians 2:9 says of Christ, “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” So whatever we do with 1 Corinthians 11:3, we cannot make it cancel those verses.

When 1 Corinthians 11:3 says, “the head of Christ is God,” I believe “God” there is speaking of the Father, because Christ is being distinguished from Him in that verse. But headship does not mean Christ is a created being or less God by nature. The same verse says “the head of the woman is the man,” but that does not mean the woman is less human than the man. It is speaking of order, not a lesser nature.

That also fits with Jesus’ earthly submission to the Father. He said, “I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me” John 6:38. That shows distinction and submission in His mission, but it does not deny His deity.

So I would say it this way: the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, yet they are not the same Person. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, and the Spirit is not the Father. But there is one God. Scripture gives us that truth, even if our minds cannot fully explain everything about it.

The mistake would be to make the Father and Son so distinct that Jesus becomes less than God. Scripture does not allow that. Jesus is the Son of God, sent by the Father, submissive to the Father in His earthly work, and yet He is also “God manifest in the flesh” 1 Timothy 3:16.