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1785476738392.webp Tradies head for the Pup on Friday afternoons

This will be one of the things Australians love to do, tomorrow ... Saturday morning onwards

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and Weather permitting
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Pray that this turns around
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Wherever you are ... Have a Good and Blessed One!​
 
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I noticed they now separate Christians into categories in the census - Anglican, uniting church, Presbyterian, Baptist.
so I wonder how skewed this percentage actually is.
So I’m putting “other” and stating Christian.
 
I noticed they now separate Christians into categories in the census - Anglican, uniting church, Presbyterian, Baptist.
so I wonder how skewed this percentage actually is.
So I’m putting “other” and stating Christian.
Hi HelbByGrace,
I agree, I will do the same : ) : ) : )
xxx
PS Not sure when the last census was done (these figures are old ones) and if you are right, about categories and not just one "Christians" category, then it could well be "skewed". It could well be that we are not getting the full picture!?
PSS this goes along with David's post about "Labels"
 
I noticed they now separate Christians into categories in the census - Anglican, uniting church, Presbyterian, Baptist.
so I wonder how skewed this percentage actually is.
So I’m putting “other” and stating Christian.
Hi HelbByGrace,
I agree, I will do the same : ) : ) : )
xxx
PS Not sure when the last census was done (these figures are old ones) and if you are right, about categories and not just one "Christians" category, then it could well be "skewed". It could well be that we are not getting the full picture!?
PSS this goes along with David's post about "Labels"
Hello Yesua888 and HeldByGrace;

The opening post remain encouraging. People are getting saved, baptized and introducing others to Christ. God is moving in Australia.

Around the world and other countries the stats are a staggering 5% - 7%. The harvest remain plentiful and the workers are few. Still, one more is getting saved daily!

My wife and I worship as Southern Baptists but don't get hung up on labels. In the eyes of God we are just Bob and Hazel following Jesus.

God bless you and your families.

Bob and Hazel
 
Hello Yesua888 and HeldByGrace;

The opening post remain encouraging. People are getting saved, baptized and introducing others to Christ. God is moving in Australia.

Around the world and other countries the stats are a staggering 5% - 7%. The harvest remain plentiful and the workers are few. Still, one more is getting saved daily!

My wife and I worship as Southern Baptists but don't get hung up on labels. In the eyes of God we are just Bob and Hazel following Jesus.

God bless you and your families.

Bob and Hazel
Hi Bob and Hazel,
In 2011 the data is saying 61.1% "Christian", and in 2016 = 52.1% and the 2021 cencus = 43.9% ... I would have thought that it was even lower than that? It is amazing to hear that other countries range from 5% - 7% ... could it be that the figures are "skewed" : )
I'm inclined to be a "skeptic" much like HeldByGrace when it comes to true figures put out by the Gvt : )
Who owns the media ...
God is winning and is moving, however, many could be fooled by "statistics"?
God has other ways of reassuring his Children 🙏🙏🙏 and that is not through M S M and the like :)
Have a blessed weekend, and I truly hope and pray that Hazel is recovering well.
xxx
 
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My wife and I worship as Southern Baptists but don't get hung up on labels.

A Clarification About Labels, Creeds, and Denominations​

Bob’s comments made me realize that some people may have misunderstood what I was saying in my recent articles, so I want to make my point clear.

I was not saying that every denomination is wrong, that every creed is false, or that every theological label is sinful. I was also not saying that everyone who uses a label has stopped following the Bible.

A label can sometimes help explain what someone generally believes. A creed may contain statements that are true. A denomination may teach many things correctly. The question is not whether a person uses a label. The question is whether that label has begun to control how the person reads the Bible.

Nothing written by man is inspired. No creed, confession, denomination, or theological system has authority over the Word of God. When a creed says something true, it is true because the Bible teaches it. When a denomination teaches something correctly, it is correct because it agrees with Scripture.

Everything must be tested by the Word of God.

The Bereans were praised because they “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so” (Acts 17:11). Paul wrote, “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

The reason I wrote those articles is because of what I have repeatedly experienced on other Christian forums. I can hardly begin a discussion about a Bible passage before someone tries to place a theological label on me.

Once some people decide what label they think belongs on me, they stop dealing with what I actually wrote. They begin arguing against what they think the label teaches instead of examining the actual Bible passages being discussed.

I am not saying everyone does this, but some do, and it happens often.

For example, in a discussion about John 3:16, I pointed out that the verse promises eternal life to whoever believes. I also said that the verse itself does not explain why one person believes and another does not. That question must be answered from other passages, such as John 6:44, John 6:65, John 1:12–13, and 1 Corinthians 2:14.

Instead of dealing with that point from Scripture, people kept trying to determine whether I was a Calvinist, an Arminian, Reformed, or a Fullerite.

I told them that I was not arguing from any of those systems. I was asking what the verse actually says and what conclusions were being added to it. Yet the conversation kept returning to labels instead of the Bible.

That is the problem I am talking about.

Sometimes, once a label comes into a Bible discussion, people stop looking carefully at the text. They begin defending their system, denomination, creed, or confession. Instead of asking, “What does this passage actually teach?” they begin asking, “What does my group say this passage must mean?”

That does not mean every person who uses a label does this. Some people use labels only as a general description and are still willing to test everything they believe by Scripture.

My warning is about what happens when the label becomes more important than the Bible.

Does the label simply describe what someone believes, or does it decide beforehand what the Bible is allowed to mean? Does a creed summarize what someone has found in Scripture, or does the creed become the standard used to interpret Scripture? Does a denomination remain under the authority of God’s Word, or do people defend the denomination even when its teaching cannot be shown from the Bible?

That is the distinction I was trying to make.

I am not asking people to pretend that doctrinal differences do not exist. I am asking people to open the Bible, read the passage in context, compare Scripture with Scripture, and allow the Word of God to correct all of us.

Paul wrote, “That ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written” (1 Corinthians 4:6). That applies to creeds, denominations, theological systems, teachers, and to my own conclusions.

Labels may describe what we believe, but they must never rule what we believe. Creeds may summarize biblical teaching, but they must never become the final authority. Denominations may help identify a church’s general beliefs, but loyalty to a denomination must never come before loyalty to Jesus Christ and His Word.

My point is not that every label is wrong. My point is that when labels take control of a Bible discussion, some people stop examining the actual Bible and begin depending on the label instead.

The issue is not whether a label exists. The issue is whether the label has started reading the Bible for us.
 
Hi Bob and Hazel,
In 2011 the data is saying 61.1% "Christian", and in 2016 = 52.1% and the 2021 cencus = 43.9% ... I would have thought that it was even lower than that? It is amazing to hear that other countries range from 5% - 7% ... could it be that the figures are "skewed" : )
I'm inclined to be a "skeptic" much like HeldByGrace when it comes to true figures put out by the Gvt : )
Who owns the media ...
God is winning and is moving, however, many could be fooled by "statistics"?
God has other ways of reassuring his Children 🙏🙏🙏 and that is not through M S M and the like :)
Have a blessed weekend, and I truly hope and pray that Hazel is recovering well.
xxx
Happy Weekend, Yesua888;

The stats I shared are from Christian organizations within our Church that do demographics, research and consensus including ranges of 5% - 7% of Christianity in countries such as Jordan, Sri Lanka, Mayanmar, Saudi Arabia, etc...

The purpose is how do we pray and support these Christians in these countries and their missions efforts of sharing the Gospel, while in vulnerable environments?

This is hard work and research in their ministry so I prayerfully receive their annual information though I'm aware these stats are not
"end fact to the tee."

From my end Australia has it's mixed bag of other religions and non-believers but overall it's recognized as a healthy, Christian country at 44% in 2026. Statistics do help, but the bigger picture is when even one more person comes to Christ Jesus trumps all statistics. Jesus wins!

Luke 15:3-10, 3 So he told them this parable: 4 “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep that was lost.’ 7 Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance. 8 “Or what woman, having ten silver coins,[a] if she loses one coin, does not light a lamp and sweep the house and seek diligently until she finds it? 9 And when she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors, saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin that I had lost.’ 10 Just so, I tell you, there is joy before the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” - ESV

God bless you, sister.

Bob
 
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A Clarification About Labels, Creeds, and Denominations​

Bob’s comments made me realize that some people may have misunderstood what I was saying in my recent articles, so I want to make my point clear.

I was not saying that every denomination is wrong, that every creed is false, or that every theological label is sinful. I was also not saying that everyone who uses a label has stopped following the Bible.

A label can sometimes help explain what someone generally believes. A creed may contain statements that are true. A denomination may teach many things correctly. The question is not whether a person uses a label. The question is whether that label has begun to control how the person reads the Bible.

Nothing written by man is inspired. No creed, confession, denomination, or theological system has authority over the Word of God. When a creed says something true, it is true because the Bible teaches it. When a denomination teaches something correctly, it is correct because it agrees with Scripture.

Everything must be tested by the Word of God.

The Bereans were praised because they “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so” (Acts 17:11). Paul wrote, “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

The reason I wrote those articles is because of what I have repeatedly experienced on other Christian forums. I can hardly begin a discussion about a Bible passage before someone tries to place a theological label on me.

Once some people decide what label they think belongs on me, they stop dealing with what I actually wrote. They begin arguing against what they think the label teaches instead of examining the actual Bible passages being discussed.

I am not saying everyone does this, but some do, and it happens often.

For example, in a discussion about John 3:16, I pointed out that the verse promises eternal life to whoever believes. I also said that the verse itself does not explain why one person believes and another does not. That question must be answered from other passages, such as John 6:44, John 6:65, John 1:12–13, and 1 Corinthians 2:14.

Instead of dealing with that point from Scripture, people kept trying to determine whether I was a Calvinist, an Arminian, Reformed, or a Fullerite.

I told them that I was not arguing from any of those systems. I was asking what the verse actually says and what conclusions were being added to it. Yet the conversation kept returning to labels instead of the Bible.

That is the problem I am talking about.

Sometimes, once a label comes into a Bible discussion, people stop looking carefully at the text. They begin defending their system, denomination, creed, or confession. Instead of asking, “What does this passage actually teach?” they begin asking, “What does my group say this passage must mean?”

That does not mean every person who uses a label does this. Some people use labels only as a general description and are still willing to test everything they believe by Scripture.

My warning is about what happens when the label becomes more important than the Bible.

Does the label simply describe what someone believes, or does it decide beforehand what the Bible is allowed to mean? Does a creed summarize what someone has found in Scripture, or does the creed become the standard used to interpret Scripture? Does a denomination remain under the authority of God’s Word, or do people defend the denomination even when its teaching cannot be shown from the Bible?

That is the distinction I was trying to make.

I am not asking people to pretend that doctrinal differences do not exist. I am asking people to open the Bible, read the passage in context, compare Scripture with Scripture, and allow the Word of God to correct all of us.

Paul wrote, “That ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written” (1 Corinthians 4:6). That applies to creeds, denominations, theological systems, teachers, and to my own conclusions.

Labels may describe what we believe, but they must never rule what we believe. Creeds may summarize biblical teaching, but they must never become the final authority. Denominations may help identify a church’s general beliefs, but loyalty to a denomination must never come before loyalty to Jesus Christ and His Word.

My point is not that every label is wrong. My point is that when labels take control of a Bible discussion, some people stop examining the actual Bible and begin depending on the label instead.

The issue is not whether a label exists. The issue is whether the label has started reading the Bible for us.

Happy Weekend, David;

Thank you for clarifying label versus caption, seriously, after reading your post. No label, denomination, doctrine, Bereans, etc...can replace my faith walk with Jesus, replace my love for my Savior, striving to walk in obedience to God, catch myself in sin or mistakes that can impact others, (I have my work cut out for me) asking God's forgiveness and a zeal to continue studying the Bible. These cannot be replaced by a label.

A side note. When I give an emoji or respond with an uplifting post, this is stamped by God Almighty, and not sugarcoating or patronizing another brother or sister. That would be wrong.

There are others who really need to prayerfully read your post regarding labeling. I met a Christian man last weekend who does Christianity on his terms. Labels were a part of his makeup as he described much critique against Christians while claiming he is a diehard believer. His responses were more labels.

What you shared about labels made me realize people use them as "playing cards" but a Godly man or woman can discern the foolishness. In the time we've gotten to know you (Hazel reads your posts) we know that's not what you mean entirely, we recognize the point you're making, David.

In my case with the other brother, he's not ready to listen and has a lot of time on his hands. I remembered Jesus and sustained my ears to hear him and then remembered the passage in Proverbs 18:7, 7 A fool’s mouth is his destruction, And his lips are the snare of his soul. - NKJV

Alas, but I'm not done with him and will meet him on August 9th.

I just wanted to let you know what I understand about your post and our brotherly relationship.

God bless you, David.

Bob
 
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