The Book Of Revelation For The World Today

[Claude Jacques]

The Book Of Revelation For The World Today.
The day is coming when God unleashes His final judgments upon a rebellious world and heaven rejoices. Revelation 11 reveals a breathtaking scene: Christ claims His rightful kingdom, and the powers of evil face their final defeat. As the earth trembles under God’s wrath, believers in heaven worship knowing the fire of judgment cannot reach those who are safe in Christ. Are you safe?

 

[bobinfaith]

Good morning, Claude Jacques;

Welcome to Biblical Truth Forum and sharing The Book Of Revelation For The World Today

All of God's Word should give us all much to think about.

In chapter 11 you mentioned in time 17:39, "It will be in heaven that we will be enlightened by the seriousness of sin."

Will we be safe? Without a doubt, but this confidence in Christ can only be fulfilled in our daily relationship, prayers and study of God's Word.

God bless you, Claude, and your entire family. Thank you for sharing.

Bob

 

[David]

The Book Of Revelation For The World Today.
The day is coming when God unleashes His final judgments upon a rebellious world and heaven rejoices. Revelation 11 reveals a breathtaking scene: Christ claims His rightful kingdom, and the powers of evil face their final defeat. As the earth trembles under God’s wrath, believers in heaven worship knowing the fire of judgment cannot reach those who are safe in Christ. Are you safe?

Good video. I appreciate the emphasis on Christ’s return, God’s righteous judgment, the coming kingdom, and the fact that those who are in Christ are safe only because of what He has done for us.

I would just be a little more careful with some of the prophetic details. For example, Revelation never plainly identifies the 24 elders as the raptured Church, and Revelation 4:1 is John being called up to heaven, not a verse that directly says the Church is raptured there. The same goes for some of the timing details surrounding the seven-year tribulation and the bowl judgments.

Those interpretations may be argued from other passages, but I think it is important to distinguish between what Scripture directly says and what we believe the prophetic timeline means.

Still, I appreciated the central message. Christ is coming, God will judge sin righteously, and our only hope is the grace of God through Jesus Christ. That is something every one of us needs to take seriously.


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[Yesua888]

The Book Of Revelation For The World Today.
The day is coming when God unleashes His final judgments upon a rebellious world and heaven rejoices. Revelation 11 reveals a breathtaking scene: Christ claims His rightful kingdom, and the powers of evil face their final defeat. As the earth trembles under God’s wrath, believers in heaven worship knowing the fire of judgment cannot reach those who are safe in Christ. Are you safe?

This is very interesting, thank you CJ

"The primary verse identifying this event is Revelation 20:5, which states, "But the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were finished." This passage distinguishes the first resurrection (the righteous) from the later raising of "the rest of the dead," who are identified in biblical commentary as the wicked or unbelievers.

Supporting verses that describe this second resurrection of judgment include:

• John 5:28-29: Jesus foretells that "all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth," distinguishing between the "resurrection of life" and the "resurrection of condemnation."
• Acts 24:15: Paul affirms a resurrection of both the "just" and the "unjust."
• Revelation 20:11-15: Describes the final judgment of these resurrected individuals at the "great white throne," where they are judged according to their works and cast into the lake of fire, referred to as the "second death."

 

[Yesua888]

Hello Everyone : )

I hope I am not opening a "can of worms" or "debate" here.

This subject has always interested me, and I am still trying to find out more, to be clearer or even certain.

Please read the below information of the "Rapture", that I came bye online, and let me know your thoughts.
There seem to be so many variations and beliefs about this.

I trust that together, we may get a better understanding of what is actually written:

The "strongest" verses and their problems​

Verse	Pre-trib claim	The gap
Revelation 3:10	"I will keep you from the hour of trial" = physical removal before the tribulation	Addressed to the first-century church at Philadelphia, not a future global church. The Greek rhyomai ek can mean "keep out of" or "keep through." Jesus's own prayer in John 17:15 uses the same "keep from" language but explicitly contrasts it with removal: "I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one."
1 Thessalonians 5:9	"God has not appointed us to wrath" = we won't be on earth during the tribulation	Says nothing about where believers are or when they're removed. It's a soteriological statement (we're saved from condemnation), not a chronological one. Post-trib scholars agree we're exempt from wrath — they just say the exemption is exercised at the second coming, not before it.
1 Thessalonians 1:10	"Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come"	Same issue. "Wrath to come" is a general eschatological phrase, not a seven-year timeline.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-8	The "restrainer" must be removed before the "man of lawlessness" is revealed → the restrainer is the church → church is removed first	Paul never identifies the restrainer. The text says "what restrains" (neuter) — it could be God's sovereign restraint, angelic forces, or the Roman Empire. Identifying it as the church is an assumption, not a statement.
Daniel 9:24-27	The 70th week is a future 7-year tribulation for Israel	The majority of biblical scholars (Jewish and Christian) see Daniel's 70 weeks as already fulfilled in the second temple period. Reading it as future requires a dispensational framework that the text itself doesn't provide.
Matthew 24:29-31	"He will send his angels to gather his elect from the four winds" = the rapture	This is in the Olivet Discourse, where Jesus is answering "what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" The "gathering" here is the second coming itself — the same event where he "comes on the clouds" (v. 30). Pre-trib scholars must argue this is a different event from the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4, but the language is nearly identical, which is the problem.
Absence of "church" in Revelation	Revelation doesn't mention the church, so it must be absent	Absence of evidence ≠ evidence of absence. Revelation also doesn't mention the Holy Spirit by name, the Mosaic law, or dozens of other things. It's a symbolic, visionary book with its own literary logic.

The structural problem​

Every verse above is compatible with the pre-trib position but not uniquely requiring it. Each one can be read in at least two or three ways. The pre-trib system works by:

1. Selecting the readings that fit,
2. Stacking them so they mutually reinforce,
3. Presenting the result as "what the Bible says."

But at each individual step, the alternative reading is textually viable. No verse says "the church will be removed from earth before a seven-year period of tribulation." That sentence is a system output, not a scriptural quotation.

The Gospel Coalition's summary remains the fairest one-liner: the pre-trib rapture is "a relatively new doctrine in Christian theology" that "is not explicitly taught in scripture."

Thoughts on the above, please?

 

[David]

The rapture itself is clearly biblical. Paul says believers will be “caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air” (1 Thessalonians 4:17). The question is not whether believers will be caught up, but when.

I have never found a verse that plainly says the Church will be removed before a seven-year tribulation. Revelation 4:1 is John being called up to heaven. The text does not say John represents the Church being raptured, so I would not build doctrine on that.

Second Thessalonians 2 also has to be dealt with. Paul speaks of “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,” then says that day will not come until certain things happen first, including the revealing of the man of sin (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3).

Jesus also said, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days,” the Son of man would come in the clouds and “gather together his elect” (Matthew 24:29-31). That certainly needs to be compared with 1 Thessalonians 4.

At the same time, I would be careful with some of the arguments in the material you posted. Revelation 3:10 does not use the Greek wording that source claims, and I would not base doctrine on what the majority of scholars believe anyway. Scripture settles the matter, not scholars.

Revelation 20 is also very clear about the resurrection. It speaks of the first resurrection, then says, “the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished” (Revelation 20:5). John 5:28-29 likewise speaks of the resurrection of life and the resurrection of damnation.

So I am convinced Christ will return, the dead in Christ will rise, living believers will be caught up to meet Him, and God will judge the wicked. What I am not convinced of is that Scripture plainly teaches the detailed pre-tribulation timeline many people have been taught.

I would rather stop where Scripture stops than make the Bible fit a prophetic system.

 

[bobinfaith]

This is very interesting, thank you CJ

"The primary verse identifying this event is Revelation 20:5, which states, "But the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were finished." This passage distinguishes the first resurrection (the righteous) from the later raising of "the rest of the dead," who are identified in biblical commentary as the wicked or unbelievers.

Supporting verses that describe this second resurrection of judgment include:

• John 5:28-29: Jesus foretells that "all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth," distinguishing between the "resurrection of life" and the "resurrection of condemnation."
• Acts 24:15: Paul affirms a resurrection of both the "just" and the "unjust."
• Revelation 20:11-15: Describes the final judgment of these resurrected individuals at the "great white throne," where they are judged according to their works and cast into the lake of fire, referred to as the "second death."

Hello Everyone : )

I hope I am not opening a "can of worms" or "debate" here.

This subject has always interested me, and I am still trying to find out more, to be clearer or even certain.

Please read the below information of the "Rapture", that I came bye online, and let me know your thoughts.
There seem to be so many variations and beliefs about this.

I trust that together, we may get a better understanding of what is actually written:

The "strongest" verses and their problems​

Verse	Pre-trib claim	The gap
Revelation 3:10	"I will keep you from the hour of trial" = physical removal before the tribulation	Addressed to the first-century church at Philadelphia, not a future global church. The Greek rhyomai ek can mean "keep out of" or "keep through." Jesus's own prayer in John 17:15 uses the same "keep from" language but explicitly contrasts it with removal: "I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one."
1 Thessalonians 5:9	"God has not appointed us to wrath" = we won't be on earth during the tribulation	Says nothing about where believers are or when they're removed. It's a soteriological statement (we're saved from condemnation), not a chronological one. Post-trib scholars agree we're exempt from wrath — they just say the exemption is exercised at the second coming, not before it.
1 Thessalonians 1:10	"Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come"	Same issue. "Wrath to come" is a general eschatological phrase, not a seven-year timeline.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-8	The "restrainer" must be removed before the "man of lawlessness" is revealed → the restrainer is the church → church is removed first	Paul never identifies the restrainer. The text says "what restrains" (neuter) — it could be God's sovereign restraint, angelic forces, or the Roman Empire. Identifying it as the church is an assumption, not a statement.
Daniel 9:24-27	The 70th week is a future 7-year tribulation for Israel	The majority of biblical scholars (Jewish and Christian) see Daniel's 70 weeks as already fulfilled in the second temple period. Reading it as future requires a dispensational framework that the text itself doesn't provide.
Matthew 24:29-31	"He will send his angels to gather his elect from the four winds" = the rapture	This is in the Olivet Discourse, where Jesus is answering "what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" The "gathering" here is the second coming itself — the same event where he "comes on the clouds" (v. 30). Pre-trib scholars must argue this is a different event from the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4, but the language is nearly identical, which is the problem.
Absence of "church" in Revelation	Revelation doesn't mention the church, so it must be absent	Absence of evidence ≠ evidence of absence. Revelation also doesn't mention the Holy Spirit by name, the Mosaic law, or dozens of other things. It's a symbolic, visionary book with its own literary logic.

The structural problem​

Every verse above is compatible with the pre-trib position but not uniquely requiring it. Each one can be read in at least two or three ways. The pre-trib system works by:

1. Selecting the readings that fit,
2. Stacking them so they mutually reinforce,
3. Presenting the result as "what the Bible says."

But at each individual step, the alternative reading is textually viable. No verse says "the church will be removed from earth before a seven-year period of tribulation." That sentence is a system output, not a scriptural quotation.

The Gospel Coalition's summary remains the fairest one-liner: the pre-trib rapture is "a relatively new doctrine in Christian theology" that "is not explicitly taught in scripture."

Thoughts on the above, please?

Good morning, Yesua888;

Personally, I praise God to the scholars and theologians for their "efforts" to explain the Rapture, Millennium and Amillennialism. I feel there are so many variances of interpretation and too many "buts" in the outline you are sharing with us, thus getting the teaching wrong.

This is why pre, mid and post tribulations of the rapture (when we will meet Jesus,) in the New Testament, the pre, mid and post millennium (when Jesus will return) Old and New Testaments, and the amillennialism (thousand year reign of Christ) New Testament and Revelation, require a very careful study.

As David posted, "I would be careful with some of the arguments in the material you posted. Revelation 3:10 does not use the Greek wording that source claims, and I would not base doctrine on what the majority of scholars believe anyway. Scripture settles the matter, not scholars."

I do know this is Biblical, but I'm still struggling with the overall study, so I study more and say less as not to mislead another believer. It takes a seasoned Bible teacher who has accomplished extensive study, knowledge and the leading of the Holy Spirit effectively teach the Rapture, Millennial and Revelation.

God bless you, Yesua888.

Bob